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Tom Wolfe Has Died
- slowm5 8y agowho?
- swampthinker 8y agoI have to admit, I've never read a Tom Wolfe book. Does anyone have some good recommendations?
- msrpotus 8y agoI've only read Bonfire of the Vanities but it's a great taste of the conflicts and tensions brewing in 1980s New York. Unfortunately seems relevant today to explain the President's world view.
- eigenstuff 8y agoThe Right Stuff. Go. Read it. Now. Shoo.
- sizzzzlerz 8y agoWhat he said!
- hangonhn 8y agoAnother vote for this one. Also Chuck Yeager is the most badass pilot that ever piloted anything that flies. They also made a movie out of the book. It's decent but the book is amazing.
- matthewmcg 8y agoSecond the recommendations. However for a counterpoint on Yeager’s role in the NF-104 crash described at the end of the book, see this account from a trainer involved in the program: http://www.kalimera.org/nf104/stories/stories_12.html http://www.kalimera.org/nf104/stories/stories_12.html
- dctoedt 8y agoAnd this, about the investigation and a supposed cover-up of alleged pilot error by Yeager: http://www.kalimera.org/nf104/stories/stories_13.html http://www.kalimera.org/nf104/stories/stories_13.html (Although one never knows whom to believe when reading self-justifying finger pointing like this.)
- mannykannot 8y agoCo. Smith's case appears to be well-documented.
- CPAhem 8y agoThanks, that is a great link. Here's his summary: "The facts are clear. Chuck Yeager proved incapable of doing the job. He was totally outside his element. He was a natural pilot who had learned by experience and feel, but never really understood stability, just ‘sensed’ how airplanes would act, but aerodynamics and space dynamics are night and day. If he was to fail, I expected it to be outside the aerodynamics region. But not even that can excuse his accident, which was his fault, alone and was an error of bad pilot technique during normal, aerodynamic flight. His shortcoming was inability to gain and maintain the 70 degree climb angle. That required strict and delicate airplane control. No more and no less."
- geoka9 8y agoProbably the most famous (rightly so). If you like Yeager, I highly recommend reading his memoirs - it makes The Right Stuff seem like an amateur hour aviation book.
- JackFr 8y ago> it makes The Right Stuff seem like an amateur hour aviation book I doubt that. The Right Stuff is not simply a book about Yeager. And while Yeager is a fascinating and exciting man and truly a hero, Tom Wolfe is one of the greatest non-fiction stylists of the twentieth century. I would be very surprised if Chuck Yeager could write, or commission a ghost writer, with one tenth the chops of Tom Wolfe.
- geoka9 8y ago> one of the greatest non-fiction stylists Sure, if all you're looking for is style. As a person interested in aviation (and a good story), 'Yeager' is my favorite. The Right Stuff was a good experience, but I probably won't re-read it again.
- CPAhem 8y agoYes, for tech readers, The Right Stuff will be disappointing, it covers how people feel and the politics, not much about the technical side of the Mercury or X-1, X-2 or x-15 programs.
- mongol 8y agoIt is the only one I read. It is GOOD.
- macandcheese 8y agoBonfire of the Vanities, The Right Stuff, Electric Kool Aid Acid Test. Good spread of his styles.
- cs702 8y agoI read "Bonfire of the Vanities" many years ago, and thought it was fantastic -- does an incredible job of portraying the different social/ethnic/economic groups in New York during the 1980's, and how these groups view, think about, and interact with each other. Hollywood turned the book into a terrible movie that ruins the story; I would avoid the movie if you have any interest in reading the book.
- mikepurvis 8y agoIt's very funny and engaging, but I first read it young enough that I still expected that kind of story to include some kind of redemption and turn-around— in reality the characters (esp Sherman) basically spend the whole time making a bad situation worse and worse and worse, continuing to double down on their mistakes and ultimately bury themselves. Not that this is at all bad, but it was a change from what I was otherwise used to reading as a teenager.
- JackFr 8y agoIt was astonishing that the movie was so bad. The book was pure capture-the-moment 1980's New York City, and the movie captured none of that and featured Tom Hanks' worst work since Bosom Buddies.
- rhapsodic 8y ago>Hollywood turned the book into a terrible movie that ruins the story; I would avoid the movie if you have any interest in reading the book. I saw the movie when it first came out but never read the book. I thought the movie was good and couldn't understand why it got so many bad reviews. What made the book so much better?
- macintux 8y agoI can't speak to either the movie or the book, but I've found it interesting that whenever I see a movie before reading the source, I'm pretty happy with the movie, but rarely am I satisfied with the movie when I've read the book first. The subtle nuances and key moments that I love are rarely translated to the screen. It's perfectly understandable, because they're two very different forms of fiction and the movie rarely has time to be much more than the Cliff's Notes version, but it's still disappointing. When I've seen the movie first, I can appreciate it for its own sake.
- carbolite103 8y agoI might start with 'The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby' which is a collection of his essays. The first chapter of 'The Right Stuff' is worth reading by itself. The rest of the book is fascinating but drags on a bit in the last third. My favorite is 'The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test'. I haven't gotten around to reading 'Bonfire of the Vanities' however so I can't really comment on that.
- JackFr 8y agoRadical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Cacthers
- vibrolax 8y agoI could never read through the passage about the arrival of the daishiki chieftain and his entourage at San Francisco City Hall without getting a side stitch, teary eyes, and a runny nose from laughing out loud. I disliked "Bonfire of the Vanities" because it was clear to me that Wolfe had fallen into self-plagiarism. It felt to me that the same fate befell Hunter Thompson and Kurt Vonnegut. It didn't take away the pleasure of reading their earlier works, but prompted me to look for different voices.
- olivermarks 8y ago'The Kandy-Kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby' absolutely blew me away as kid in the UK - tremendous verve in Wolfe's writing, wonderfully descriptive and illuminating and contributed not insignificantly to my life long love of car culture... I agree with Calrbolite103, a very accessible starting point to Wolfe's style in short chapter/article/stories. Most of what he wrote was great IMO, most especially about the late 60's to the 80's...
- bballard 8y agoI agree, this is a great starting point. It contains a selection of articles on such diverse subjects as hot rods, Phil Spector, insomnia-inducing Las Vegas, NASCAR (and moonshining), 60s dance crazes (the mashed potato, etc), The Beatles landing at JFK, Cary Grant, Muhammad Ali, Nannies in NYC, and suits with real buttonholes. All are fantastic reads.
- cyanbane 8y ago'A Man in Full' and 'I am Charolette Simmons' are two of my favorites. I picked up 'Kingdom of Speech' last year, but couldn't get into it. The other two though will keep you up at night. Great writing.
- pjc50 8y agoWhat did you like about Charlotte Simmons?
- teachrdan 8y agoI'm genuinely curious myself. What little I've read of it made it seem like a sensationalized account of how young women in college are imagined to behave, as per an out-of-touch old man.
- cpr 8y agoHe supposedly did a lot of research on just how the hook-up culture on campuses worked. (Don't mean that cynically or suggestively--just that he always worked hard for his source material.)
- Balgair 8y agoI read this while in college, and it was, well, horrible. The characters were terrible and unbelievable. Maybe 50 years on it will be something of a good intro to college life in the 2000s, but I disliked it.
- jacquesm 8y agoAnother vote for A Man in Full.
- maverick2007 8y agoMy under the radar favorite Tom Wolfe book is I am Charlotte Simmons. Maybe it just resonated with me since I read it going in college but I'd definitely recommend it!
- teachrdan 8y agoI'd immediately recommend Bonfire of the Vanities. It perfectly captures NYC in the 80s: the racial divides, the wealth inequality, and the many ways individuals cross race and class lines. And his vivid description of how bond traders make insane amounts of money (for the time) is unforgettable. Frankly, Bonfire is worth reading just for unforgettable lines like this one: "If a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged, a liberal is a conservative who's been arrested."
- slimshady94 8y agoI don't remember much of Bonfire, but I definitely remember a specific paragraph in which almost every noun and verb was preceded by the adjective 'f*ing'. Very vivid yet puzzling for a young kid.
- ghaff 8y agoYeah. I’m honestly not sure how well a newbie read from a space of 30 years who knows Lille of eighties NYC would stand up. But, from my perspective as someone who lived briefly in 80s Manhattan, it’s his novel that really captures a time and place.
- wallflower 8y agoTom Wolfe's "Bonfire of the Vanities" (Going broke on a million a year), p.137 "One breath of scandal, and not only would the Giscard scheme collapse but his very career would be finished! And what would he do then? I’m already going broke on a million a year! The appalling figures came popping up into his brain. Last year his income had been $980,000. But he had to pay out $21,000 a month for the $1.8 million loan he had to take out to buy the apartment... Of the $560,000 remaining of his income last year, $44,400 was required for the apartment’s monthly maintenance fee… $18,000 for heat, utilities, insurance and repairs, $6,000 for lawn and hedge cutting, $8,000 for taxes. Entertaining at home and in restaurants had come to $37,000. This was a modest sum compared to what other people spent..."
- iamben 8y agoBonfire of the Vanities. It's a wonderful book. But I'll second pretty much any of the other recommendations here as well. He's wonderful author.
- jbillow2000 8y ago"The Right Stuff" is a great one.
- coverband 8y ago"Hooking Up"[1], an easy to digest collection of his essays, many of which are mentioned in the article or somewhere in this thread. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooking_Up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooking_Up
- bradleyjg 8y agoIt depends on what you like, but having read all his full length books, I’m firmly of the opinion that A Man in Full is the best novel qua novel. In terms of craftsmenship it’s his masterpiece. On the other hand, Bonfire of the Vanities is the most Wolfian of the books—it’s the book that most of any of them could not have been written by anyone else (with honorable mention to Back to Blood).
- jgrahamc 8y agoYears ago when I was living in the Bay Area, Tom Wolfe was hanging around doing research for a book on Silicon Valley. The rumour was that he left with the opinion that nothing interesting worth writing about happened there.
- pitt1980 8y agoHe wrote a pretty interesting profile of Robert Noyce, one of the co-founders of Intel https://web.stanford.edu/class/e145/2007_fall/materials/noyce.html https://web.stanford.edu/class/e145/2007_fall/materials/noyc...
- majos 8y agoThanks for the pointer. I was unaware of 1. how important midwesterners have been to Silicon Valley, and 2. how old the Silicon Valley-Wall Street cultural divide is. Plus, just a fun read.
- evasote 8y agoIt was a really great read. My dad was a solid state electrical engineer working on silicon, and went to Grinnell as well for his undergrad. We are from just south of there. Nice to hear about the place
- jgrahamc 8y agoYes but that's years before. I'm talking dotcom era.
- ethbro 8y agoWhen $300M of investment capital ends up in the $125,000 sale of a sock puppet mascot, was he (broadly speaking) wrong? While big companies came out of that era, examined at the time and surrounded by since-deceased dotcom peers, I don't fault a reasonable person for concluding as he did.
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- nautilus12 8y agoSo this is one of the people thats responsible for urging journalists to be less objective? Could explain why journalistic integrity is such a mess right now. I didn't even know there was such a movement.
- hcurtiss 8y agoWhere did you get this impression of Wolfe?
- shampto3 8y agoWhile I may not agree with the parent's comment, it appears he is referring to the term "New Journalism" which encourages a subjective point of view. This term was apparently "codified with its current meaning by Tom Wolfe" [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Journalism
- ghaff 8y agoWhile I really liked The Right Stuff, this is the basic problem I have with elevating it above, say, Bonfire of the Vanities. It’s presented in the vein of a historical account but you’re also presumably not expected to put too much faith in specific details and characterizations. Everything is subjective at some level of course but I’m not really a fan of it’s factual except when things need to be colored to make a better story.
- sjm-lbm 8y agoI could see that as a bad description of New Journalism (a term coined by Wolfe), which is usually pretty subjective. The problem here is that New Journalism was never really meant to replace more traditional journalism, is generally considered to have died out well before the current era of curated "journalism" designed to confirm one's beliefs, and, well was nothing like contemporary "fake news" anyway.
- o_____________o 8y agoCreative Nonfiction[1] typified by Wolfe, Gay Talese[2] and their ilk is not at all similar to what I think you're referencing in our current climate of agenda-porn masquerading as news From TFA: > In an author’s statement for the reference work World Authors, Mr. Wolfe wrote that to him the term “meant writing nonfiction, from newspaper stories to books, using basic reporting to gather the material but techniques ordinarily associated with fiction, such as scene-by-scene construction, to narrate it.” [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_nonfiction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_nonfiction [2] https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a638/frank-sinatra-has-a-cold-gay-talese/ https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a638/frank-sinatra-has...
- mcenedella 8y agoRadical Chic: http://nymag.com/news/features/46170/ http://nymag.com/news/features/46170/ At 2 or 3 or 4 a.m., somewhere along in there, on August 25, 1966, his 48th birthday, in fact, Leonard Bernstein woke up in the dark in a state of wild alarm. That had happened before. It was one of the forms his insomnia took. So he did the usual. He got up and walked around a bit. He felt groggy. Suddenly he had a vision, an inspiration. He could see himself, Leonard Bernstein, the egregio maestro, walking out on stage in white tie and tails in front of a full orchestra. On one side of the conductor’s podium is a piano. On the other is a chair with a guitar leaning against it. He sits in the chair and picks up the guitar. A guitar! One of those half-witted instruments, like the accordion, that are made for the Learn-To-Play-in-Eight-Days E-Z-Diagram 110-IQ 14-year-olds of Levittown! But there’s a reason. He has an anti-war message to deliver to this great starched white-throated audience in the symphony hall. He announces to them: “I love.” Just that. The effect is mortifying. All at once a Negro rises up from out of the curve of the grand piano and starts saying things like, “The audience is curiously embarrassed.” Lenny tries to start again, plays some quick numbers on the piano, says, “I love. Amo, ergo sum.” The Negro rises again and says, “The audience thinks he ought to get up and walk out. The audience thinks, ‘I am ashamed even to nudge my neighbor.’ ” Finally, Lenny gets off a heartfelt anti-war speech and exits.
- dash2 8y agoThat's amazingly good (and long) and lots of it still seems relevant today.
- wallflower 8y agoI remember discovering "The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test" in my high school library. I eventually stole it by taking out the plastic-encased metal security dingy and devoured it more. I read it over and over until the paperback fell apart. It introduced me to a world so foreign and sparkly and rusty dangerous and yet so real. RIP Tom Wolfe for bringing us into your worlds of observation and intrigue.
- segmondy 8y agoYou denied other's the chance to do the same. You need to make amends.
- pboutros 8y ago"Repent, sinner!!!"
- dang 8y agowallflower has more than made amends by providing some of the best reading on Hacker News for many years.
- bch 8y agoI’m not really fussed by ‘wallflowers transgression, but I find rationalizing stealing from a public library by posting in an a Gucci tech/business website a bit problematic.
- dang 8y agoOh I agree, but was just trying to mitigate the harshness with a little good feeling. We all have enough to point fingers at ourselves about.
- wallflower 8y agoThanks, dang! I appreciate all you do for this community.
- dfsegoat 8y agoThe Right Stuff --- one of my favorite books of all time.
- Jun8 8y agoSad day! For, those who want to spend time at work to reminiscence here are some links I found interesting: * "How Tom Wolfe Became … Tom Wolfe", a good profile from Vanity Fair, 2015: https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/how-tom-wolfe-became-tom-wolfe https://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/how-tom-wolfe-bec... * "Tom Wolfe", an early profile one year after the Kool Aid Test had been published, from The Harvard Crimson, 1969: https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1969/5/8/tom-wolfe-pbibn-april-of-1965/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1969/5/8/tom-wolfe-pbibn-... * Photos of him in 2013 from Paris Match: https://www.gettyimages.com/event/tom-wolfe-paris-match-issue-3334-166619204#writer-tom-wolfe-is-photographed-for-paris-match-on-march-29-2013-in-picture-id166413149 https://www.gettyimages.com/event/tom-wolfe-paris-match-issu... * "Tom Wolfe - The Art of Fiction", from Paris Match, 1991: https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/2226/tom-wolfe-the-art-of-fiction-no-123-tom-wolfe https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/2226/tom-wolfe-the...
- candeira 8y agoThe last link is from the Paris Review, not Paris Match. I get where the error comes from, but I chuckled.
- arkis22 8y agoExcellent: “The Republican Party as now constituted is obviously too stupid to survive…. What is to be done? Of course, that was Lenin’s line and the only lucid one he ever wrote. The answer is nothing. America’s position is unassailable. We are the imperial Rome of the 3rd Millennium. Our government is a CSX train on a track. People on one side (the left) yell at it, and people on the other side (the right) yell at it, but the train’s only going to go down the track. Thank God for that. That’s why I find American politics too boring to write about. Nixon is forced from office. Does a military junta rise up? Do the tanks roll? Give me a break.” [February 28, 2000.] ^from the Vanity Fair article
- nyc111 8y agoThanks for these links. How did you get a free version of the Paris Review İnterview? A couple of days ago I tried to read some interviews and it won't let me without a subscription.
- shubhamjain 8y agoThe evergreen quote I live by: "No one becomes Tom Wolfe overnight, not even Tom Wolfe" — William Zinsser.
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- quantumofmalice 8y agoVery sad to hear. His book "From Bauhaus to Our House" changed my life, finally giving me a plausible explanation as to how we managed to create such a horrific built environment post WW2.
- hsljekskfh 8y agothis is my favorite wolfe as well. i was taking undergrad classes in architecture and my dad gave me the book. it made me realize that all my classes were avoiding the negative or downright stupid aspects of modernism. my favorite part was how mies van der rohe liked buildings that looked “authentic” with undecorated steel beams visible, but because it was against the fire safety code in the usa he just glued some i-beams to the side of his chicago skyscrapers. the guy literally decorated buildings to represent a lack of decoration. this is the guy famous for the slogan “less is more.”
- tnolet 8y agoI love that book! Was actually compulsory reading during my art history studies.
- Balgair 8y agoI'll echo this book as well. A great dive into why every damn sky-rise seems to be nothing but glass panels. Short read too. https://www.amazon.com/Bauhaus-Our-House-Tom-Wolfe/dp/0312429142 https://www.amazon.com/Bauhaus-Our-House-Tom-Wolfe/dp/031242...
- Applejinx 8y ago"The Painted Word" is also fantastic, if you liked "From Bauhaus to Our House". Similar approach.
- quantumofmalice 8y agoYes, that is a great book as well. I think "From Bauhause to Our House" is more important because we can survive a period of terrible art: most people will simply ignore it and when it is over you can throw most of it into the dumpster easily enough. Unfortunately we are not free to ignore the work of architects, and correcting their mistakes will take us centuries.
- aaroninsf 8y agoTIL Tom Wolfe was still alive.
- nextstep 8y agoI’m with Hunter S. Thompson on Wolfe: https://dangerousminds.net/comments/you_thieving_pile_of_albino_warts_hunter_s._thompson_tears_tom_wolfe_a_new https://dangerousminds.net/comments/you_thieving_pile_of_alb... “thieving pile or albino warts”
- redacted_tweet 8y agoYou know that was written in jest, right? Thompson and Wolfe were great friends.
- tnolet 8y agoFor anyone remotely interested in the sense and nonsense of modern art amd and architecture I strongly recommend Wolfe's "The Painted Word" and "From our House to Bauhaus". Both extremely funny and sharp.
- archagon 8y agoRead "The Right Stuff" for the first time recently. I didn't find myself particularly invested in the Mercury astronauts' story, but Wolfe's utterly delightful prose made it hard to pull away. Loved the mantra-like phrases that his writing would circle around: climbing the ziggurat, being left behind, single-combat warriors, the titular right stuff (among many others). Coupled with the fast-talking pace and the incredibly vivid language (waters "about as clear as the eyeballs of a poisoned bass!"), it almost read like poetry at times. Oh, and the book was hilarious! It's rare that I find myself laughing out loud at literature, but Wolfe's descriptions were just so absurd and clever. If you can find a torrent, I highly recommend Michael Prichard's Books on Tape recording. The quality is low but the narration is just exceptional. RIP.
- CPAhem 8y agoIt is a brilliant book, especially his description of what he thought those poor chimpanzee astronauts were thinking and feeling.
- jacquesm 8y agoI would fly back-and-forth between Toronto and Amsterdam on a two week schedule and I'd buy piles of books in airport kiosks, to read them on the plane because I can't sleep on a plane. Most of those books did not hang around to be read for a second time but all of Tom Wolfe's books are still here and have been read to bits. The man has a way with words that allow you to really get into the heads of the characters, they come to life in a way that very few other writers have been able to do for me.
- vermontdevil 8y agoTom Wolfe writing on hangovers: The telephone blasted Peter Fallow awake inside an egg with the shell peeled away and only the membranous sac holding it intact. Ah! The membranous sac was his head, and the right side of his head was on the pillow, and the yolk was as heavy as mercury, and it rolled like mercury, and it was pressing down on his right temple… If he tried to get up to answer the telephone, the yolk, the mercury, the poisoned mass, would shift and roll and rupture the sac, and his brains would fall out.”
- plankers 8y agoEvery year, the morning after my birthday, this metaphor plagues my mind.
- beautifulfreak 8y agoHe was also a prolific letter writer. A very smart friend of mine was his personal trainer when he stayed in the Hamptons, and the two struck up a friendship. Wolfe corresponded with him, sending long handwritten letters. Maybe it was part of his research process, but I think he just liked people and was genuinely curious about others.
- indescions_2018 8y agoRIP. Feels like the end of an era for New Yorkers. A certain longform vigor. Jimmy Breslin on JFK's assassination. Peter Maas and Serpico. Norman Mailer running for mayor of the "51st State" In addition to all the excellent suggestions on this page. Also check out The Painted Word (1975). Firing Line with William F. Buckley Jr.: Tom Wolfe and The Painted Word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5NBoe5qHRE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5NBoe5qHRE Art of Fiction Interview with George Plimpton https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/05/15/tom-wolfe-1931-2018/ https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/05/15/tom-wolfe-193...
- hcatlin 8y agoCan we get the metric system now?
- nyc111 8y agoI write a blog in Turkish. I write about current affairs and also other subjects that interests me. Once in a while I fall into Ecclesiastes type of borderline nihilism and I say to myself "Why write at all; all is vain; all is for naught." Then I stop writing for a while. I reason that writing is academic; it is useless. It changes nothing. It is so much better to do something useful like programming or building something and selling it. But now after reading the comments here I see that Tom Wolfe's writing changed so many people's life! In a positive way. Of course, it's a different thing that one needs to write well at that level. But it seems that writing is not that useless after all.