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I don't know why you think that. I think the safest assumption is that being dead will be exactly like not being born.

by trgv 8y ago

wrcwill 8y ago
one state is indefinite and the other is not.
Koshkin 8y ago
It's like saying that the future is exactly like the past. (Which is true when applied to the question of non-existence, because what did not exist will cease to exist or continue to be non-existent.)
- taeric 8y ago
  But that is only true of things which do not come into existence, no? I can safely say I did not exist a thousand years ago, nor will I exist in a thousand years. Further, I can say that from my point of death on, I am non-existent. Similarly, before my birth, I was non-existent. However, my state of non-existence ended at my birth. Just as my state of existence will end at my death. In this regard, the future is not exactly like the past. In the past, there was never a time in which I came into existence. In the future, there was a time where I came into existence. Neither of those statements transfer between past and future.
  - Koshkin 8y ago
    > In the future, there was a time This is "memory", or "trace". Their existence take away from your non-existence, making it incomplete (imperfect), which indeed makes one's future different from one's past.
  - komali2 8y ago
    >I can safely say I did not exist a thousand years ago... I'm not sure of that, yet. We haven't managed to pin down what "I" is or even what "existence" is. I'm thinking in the "we virtualized a copy of your brain" sense - just what is consciousness?
    - Koshkin 8y ago
      > what "existence" is Indeed, the very existence (and non-existence) could be relative - just like time and space. For example, in one frame of reference there may exist a magnetic field while in the other there may be none.
gowld 8y ago
Being dead, like not being born, are both not being at all.
Karolus 8y ago
> I think the safest assumption is that being dead will be exactly like not being born. From a purely entropic and information theoretic standpoint, these are very different states and certainly not a safe assumption.

I don't know why you think that. I think the safest assumption is that being dead will be exactly like not being born.

by trgv 8y ago

I don't know why you think that. I think the safest assumption is that being dead will be exactly like not being born.

wrcwill 8y ago

one state is indefinite and the other is not.

Koshkin 8y ago

It's like saying that the future is exactly like the past. (Which is true when applied to the question of non-existence, because what did not exist will cease to exist or continue to be non-existent.)

taeric 8y ago
But that is only true of things which do not come into existence, no? I can safely say I did not exist a thousand years ago, nor will I exist in a thousand years. Further, I can say that from my point of death on, I am non-existent. Similarly, before my birth, I was non-existent. However, my state of non-existence ended at my birth. Just as my state of existence will end at my death. In this regard, the future is not exactly like the past. In the past, there was never a time in which I came into existence. In the future, there was a time where I came into existence. Neither of those statements transfer between past and future.
- Koshkin 8y ago
  > In the future, there was a time This is "memory", or "trace". Their existence take away from your non-existence, making it incomplete (imperfect), which indeed makes one's future different from one's past.
- komali2 8y ago
  >I can safely say I did not exist a thousand years ago... I'm not sure of that, yet. We haven't managed to pin down what "I" is or even what "existence" is. I'm thinking in the "we virtualized a copy of your brain" sense - just what is consciousness?
  - Koshkin 8y ago
    > what "existence" is Indeed, the very existence (and non-existence) could be relative - just like time and space. For example, in one frame of reference there may exist a magnetic field while in the other there may be none.

gowld 8y ago

Being dead, like not being born, are both not being at all.

Karolus 8y ago

> I think the safest assumption is that being dead will be exactly like not being born. From a purely entropic and information theoretic standpoint, these are very different states and certainly not a safe assumption.