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Given that this is about Iran/N. Korea sanctions, why does it get conflated with "tech cold war"?

shub 8y ago
You think if Apple, IBM, Amazon, or another American giant got caught doing this kind of stuff they would get sanctioned nearly as hard by the Trump administration?
- thefounder 8y ago
  I belive Xi would do the same.
  - cf498 8y ago
    Is China trying to enforce any kind of similar ban? I got the impression that trying to enforce unilaterally imposed global sanctions is a US thing. The next best thing coming to mind are UN embargos
  - yumraj 8y ago
    Exactly, imagine a US company supporting Tibet/Dalai Lama or Falun Gong etc. China would most definitely ban them from doing business in China.
    - cf498 8y ago
      Do you have an example for that? I looked around a bit and only found China not buying from weapon manufacturers anymore who also supplied Taiwan. When it comes to pressure on topics like Tibet they seem to mostly pressure countries instead of companies.
- pm90 8y ago
  US companies operate under US jurisdiction, which means US can charge and convict the specific people involved in the illegal activity in US courts (instead of shutting down the company). Since US courts don’t have Jurisdiction over China, one has to rely on harsher but indirect methods like these.
- valas 8y ago
  Perhaps you are right --- Amazon would not be punished in this way. But likely you are right for different reasons than you think? US government can put US executives in jail. I'm sure it would put them in jail. You have to remember what happened here: ZTE was caught, paid penalty and promised to be nice, then they reneged on their promise, lied about it, and got caught again. Feds in fact just recently put VW executive in jail for even lesser offense. US government has no such jail-time leverage with Chinese companies, there is no extradition agreement, so the only leverage US has, it used.
  - gowld 8y ago
    I do wonder if Oliver Schmidt got that jail sentence in part because he and his company are non-American, leading to harsher treatment.
natch 8y ago
The violations relate to technology.

shub 8y ago

You think if Apple, IBM, Amazon, or another American giant got caught doing this kind of stuff they would get sanctioned nearly as hard by the Trump administration?

thefounder 8y ago
I belive Xi would do the same.
- cf498 8y ago
  Is China trying to enforce any kind of similar ban? I got the impression that trying to enforce unilaterally imposed global sanctions is a US thing. The next best thing coming to mind are UN embargos
- yumraj 8y ago
  Exactly, imagine a US company supporting Tibet/Dalai Lama or Falun Gong etc. China would most definitely ban them from doing business in China.
  - cf498 8y ago
    Do you have an example for that? I looked around a bit and only found China not buying from weapon manufacturers anymore who also supplied Taiwan. When it comes to pressure on topics like Tibet they seem to mostly pressure countries instead of companies.
pm90 8y ago
US companies operate under US jurisdiction, which means US can charge and convict the specific people involved in the illegal activity in US courts (instead of shutting down the company). Since US courts don’t have Jurisdiction over China, one has to rely on harsher but indirect methods like these.
valas 8y ago
Perhaps you are right --- Amazon would not be punished in this way. But likely you are right for different reasons than you think? US government can put US executives in jail. I'm sure it would put them in jail. You have to remember what happened here: ZTE was caught, paid penalty and promised to be nice, then they reneged on their promise, lied about it, and got caught again. Feds in fact just recently put VW executive in jail for even lesser offense. US government has no such jail-time leverage with Chinese companies, there is no extradition agreement, so the only leverage US has, it used.
- gowld 8y ago
  I do wonder if Oliver Schmidt got that jail sentence in part because he and his company are non-American, leading to harsher treatment.

natch 8y ago

The violations relate to technology.