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Mozilla Global Sprint 2018

214 points by robterthaddeus 8y ago

sudouser 8y ago
looks nice but would greatly improve chances if they had labels of what kind of help is needed
- oliveoil8552 8y ago
  I definitely agree on this
- sudouser 8y ago
  answering myself, went and read about 20 pages, they really need labels
AdmiralAsshat 8y ago
Given that this is all driven by volunteer work, wouldn't it have made more sense to schedule the "sprint" on a weekend?
- butz 8y ago
  I bet no one will stop you to continue contributing on a weekend and later.
  - sli 8y ago
    > Due by May 11, 2018 If you want to participate in this sprint, this coming weekend will be too late.
    - butz 8y ago
      Bummer.
- deleted 8y ago
  [deleted]
- fergie 8y ago
  Can "sprints" be reconciled with volunteering? The joy of open source is that you can work on what you want, when you want. The moment that somebody tells you what to do and when to do it, it begins to look at bit like a job.
  - blackbrokkoli 8y ago
    It's not like you get punished for not participating. It's just a motivation to actually do something and get some sense of community
kalev 8y ago
Wow, that’s actually a pretty cool initiative. An extra push to start giving back to the community. I’ll find myself a project and start contributing!
pnut 8y ago
Finally, an opportunity to engage in uncompensated labour!
- ajkjk 8y ago
  Well, that's the most hostile possible interpretation.
  - LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
    Yes, why cant people just see the creative side of working in a stone quary. One is engaged in the free arts (as long as its mono-cubistic sculptures), with fresh air, lots of company of similar minded people. There are also tons of diverse activitys - like ghospel singing, rocks'n roll, accidents, motivational whippings. One can even be promoted to one of the upper rows. Its fantastic.
    - relyio 8y ago
      If you don't like it, then ignore it. Your cynism brings literally nothing to the table. As a student, and someone who wants to become a strong engineer over the next ten years... this kind of opportunity is fantastic. You can see it as "uncompensated labor", I see it as a way to learn, get my code "out there", and get better at my trade.
      - LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
        Im contribootin, but when you think that forces me to abandon all my opinions and cheerfull throw flower petals on every propaganda waggon rollin through town- nope. Open Source never really cared so much about its contribooters as they cared about open source. If stallmann would start worrying about its contribooters beeing able to live decent lifes with familys, without having a boss breathing down there neck- maybee then. But it guess that is just not that sort of freedom thats high on the priortiy list. Open Source as a lifestyle is currently limited to students and beginners.
  - dsego 8y ago
splitbrain 8y ago
what exactly is Mozilla doing except having created a github issue tracker?
- robterthaddeus 8y ago
  Here's background on the larger mission: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2018/05/07/mozillas-48-hour-hackathon-for-a-better-internet/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2018/05/07/mozillas-48-hour-ha...
  - a_imho 8y ago
    Unless I'm missing something, the answer from the link is ~nothing and/or taking credit?
    - gcburn2 8y ago
      - Curated a list of bugs/features/issues that are accessible to noobs as well as veterans - Coordinated with project owners that wanted to be involved - Setup a structure for mentoring and leadership on projects - Broadcast the initiative - Focused the project list on things that would build a "more healthy internet"
- gregknicholson 8y ago
  Is it possible to participate without registering an account with GitHub Inc?
jbob2000 8y ago
Mozilla needs to cut down on the noise on the sprint's issue board, take a look: https://github.com/search?p=1&q=label%3Amozsprint&state=open&type=Issues https://github.com/search?p=1&q=label%3Amozsprint&state=open... There's so much baloney like this: - How can we solve X problem? Where X is a global problem that potentially has thousands of stakeholders and use cases, requiring millions of dollars in time and effort. - Can you fill out this survey? - What flavour of ice cream do you like? - Start your own hackathon/organize your own event! - When is someone considered a senior Ruby developer? - What have you done with your skills? - Write us instructions on how to use X tool. Where X is an industry standard tool that has thousands of hits on google about how to use it. When did the open source community get this watered down?
- robterthaddeus 8y ago
  Part of Mozilla’s aim with the Sprint is to help people/projects outside of engineering apply “open” principles -- to educational resources, to civic projects, etc. That’s why you see some light-weight, non-technical issues. But there are plenty of more typical coding projects to work on! You can try searching by project or language to find those.
- trzmiel4 8y ago
  Actually, they have. If you follow the link on OP, you'll see 93 selected issues, not the 941 noisy ones you linked. They're actually putting some effort into this as well. Not just creating a place for a ton of random junk, pat on the back, "good luck, go figure". EDIT: Your filter is just "label:mozsprint" across all of GitHub. That's pretty likely to include noise that Mozilla cannot do anything about.
- deleted 8y ago
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dopeboy 8y ago
Anyone in SF or East Bay organizing together for this? I see a pin on the map in SF but can't tell how legit that gathering is. Is there anything happening at the Mozilla office?
- harlanji 8y ago
  I’ve set myself to drive down to Mozilla from SF and work on this: https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/307 https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/307 Lots of Meetups happen at the pinned library in SF so it’s likely legit. Shameless plug: Clojure Engs wanted, esp w Reagent or at least (atom) and UI experience. Streaming video, RSS, RasPi, oh my. Just me sofar, late reg.
  - reitanqild 8y ago
    This and your tinydatacenter page seems great. Also I like the styling of that page :-)
ShroudedNight 8y ago
Unless I managed to completely miss something, I see no mention of the copyright issues that likely ensare a good percentage of those who would otherwise be their prime audience. This sounds interesting to me, but having already waded through the issues once on my own, without some serious help resolving the legal aspect of this, the cost of entry is too high for impulse-based participation.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  I'm so confused by what you're saying, do you not understand how software licensing works in regards to copyright? I thought by now its been pretty well understood by the community. The exception being obscurely licensed software.
  - ShroudedNight 8y ago
    The problem with copyright is that many of us are subject to broad agreements assigning the ownership of all our programming output to our employers. If we were to contribute to these projects without a clear legal framework in place authorizing us to do so, we open up all parties involved to significant legal risk. If Mozilla had some kind of pre-packaged kit that we could take to our employers for approval, and that once filled out, had a clear scope of authorization, it would go a long way to giving me the courage to try walking the path to contributing again.
    - giancarlostoro 8y ago
      I'm not sure there, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not familiar with that case, maybe someone else here on HN would know. Usually most people just don't have to worry about that when contributing to open source. Also depending on the software license, it might trump the supposed claimed copyright of your employer, e.g. GPL code once GPL'd there's no going around it. Or other licenses which revoke your use of their code the second you try to sue. Software licenses are kind of smart in their own regard. Sidenote: I personally would refuse to work for anybody who tries to own code I write outside of work with my own hardware / tools. Thankfully where I work we're very open source friendly, not only do we use open source tooling / OS' but in some cases we contribute back directly where appropriate.
TheAceOfHearts 8y ago
An accompanying explanation would've been nice. For future visitors [0]: > Mozilla’s Global Sprint, a distributed work/collaboration sprint on open projects from around the world! > Every issue in this repository represents a project seeking contribution. [0] https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/299 https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/299
vardump 8y ago
One really cool project would be to make Firefox's webassembly compiler work standalone as a dynamic library. Even baseline compiler would be useful.
- ShroudedNight 8y ago
  Do you mean the JIT compiler? If so, there has been some work fusing Eclipse OMR's JITBuilder to wabt here: https://github.com/wasmjit-omr/wasmjit-omr https://github.com/wasmjit-omr/wasmjit-omr It's probably significantly more primordial than what you want, but mentioning it on the chance it's useful.
  - vardump 8y ago
    A library with small binary size that is easy to integrate. Supporting at least x86(-64) and ARMv7 (default + thumb2, 64-bit ARMv8 would be a big plus). Something that would enable multi-platform plugins.

looks nice but would greatly improve chances if they had labels of what kind of help is needed

oliveoil8552 8y ago
I definitely agree on this
sudouser 8y ago
answering myself, went and read about 20 pages, they really need labels

Given that this is all driven by volunteer work, wouldn't it have made more sense to schedule the "sprint" on a weekend?

butz 8y ago
I bet no one will stop you to continue contributing on a weekend and later.
- sli 8y ago
  > Due by May 11, 2018 If you want to participate in this sprint, this coming weekend will be too late.
  - butz 8y ago
    Bummer.
deleted 8y ago
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fergie 8y ago
Can "sprints" be reconciled with volunteering? The joy of open source is that you can work on what you want, when you want. The moment that somebody tells you what to do and when to do it, it begins to look at bit like a job.
- blackbrokkoli 8y ago
  It's not like you get punished for not participating. It's just a motivation to actually do something and get some sense of community

kalev 8y ago

Wow, that’s actually a pretty cool initiative. An extra push to start giving back to the community. I’ll find myself a project and start contributing!

pnut 8y ago

Finally, an opportunity to engage in uncompensated labour!

ajkjk 8y ago
Well, that's the most hostile possible interpretation.
- LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
  Yes, why cant people just see the creative side of working in a stone quary. One is engaged in the free arts (as long as its mono-cubistic sculptures), with fresh air, lots of company of similar minded people. There are also tons of diverse activitys - like ghospel singing, rocks'n roll, accidents, motivational whippings. One can even be promoted to one of the upper rows. Its fantastic.
  - relyio 8y ago
    If you don't like it, then ignore it. Your cynism brings literally nothing to the table. As a student, and someone who wants to become a strong engineer over the next ten years... this kind of opportunity is fantastic. You can see it as "uncompensated labor", I see it as a way to learn, get my code "out there", and get better at my trade.
    - LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
      Im contribootin, but when you think that forces me to abandon all my opinions and cheerfull throw flower petals on every propaganda waggon rollin through town- nope. Open Source never really cared so much about its contribooters as they cared about open source. If stallmann would start worrying about its contribooters beeing able to live decent lifes with familys, without having a boss breathing down there neck- maybee then. But it guess that is just not that sort of freedom thats high on the priortiy list. Open Source as a lifestyle is currently limited to students and beginners.
- dsego 8y ago

splitbrain 8y ago

what exactly is Mozilla doing except having created a github issue tracker?

robterthaddeus 8y ago
Here's background on the larger mission: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2018/05/07/mozillas-48-hour-hackathon-for-a-better-internet/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2018/05/07/mozillas-48-hour-ha...
- a_imho 8y ago
  Unless I'm missing something, the answer from the link is ~nothing and/or taking credit?
  - gcburn2 8y ago
    - Curated a list of bugs/features/issues that are accessible to noobs as well as veterans - Coordinated with project owners that wanted to be involved - Setup a structure for mentoring and leadership on projects - Broadcast the initiative - Focused the project list on things that would build a "more healthy internet"
gregknicholson 8y ago
Is it possible to participate without registering an account with GitHub Inc?

jbob2000 8y ago

Mozilla needs to cut down on the noise on the sprint's issue board, take a look: https://github.com/search?p=1&q=label%3Amozsprint&state=open&type=Issues https://github.com/search?p=1&q=label%3Amozsprint&state=open... There's so much baloney like this: - How can we solve X problem? Where X is a global problem that potentially has thousands of stakeholders and use cases, requiring millions of dollars in time and effort. - Can you fill out this survey? - What flavour of ice cream do you like? - Start your own hackathon/organize your own event! - When is someone considered a senior Ruby developer? - What have you done with your skills? - Write us instructions on how to use X tool. Where X is an industry standard tool that has thousands of hits on google about how to use it. When did the open source community get this watered down?

robterthaddeus 8y ago
Part of Mozilla’s aim with the Sprint is to help people/projects outside of engineering apply “open” principles -- to educational resources, to civic projects, etc. That’s why you see some light-weight, non-technical issues. But there are plenty of more typical coding projects to work on! You can try searching by project or language to find those.
trzmiel4 8y ago
Actually, they have. If you follow the link on OP, you'll see 93 selected issues, not the 941 noisy ones you linked. They're actually putting some effort into this as well. Not just creating a place for a ton of random junk, pat on the back, "good luck, go figure". EDIT: Your filter is just "label:mozsprint" across all of GitHub. That's pretty likely to include noise that Mozilla cannot do anything about.
deleted 8y ago
[deleted]

dopeboy 8y ago

Anyone in SF or East Bay organizing together for this? I see a pin on the map in SF but can't tell how legit that gathering is. Is there anything happening at the Mozilla office?

harlanji 8y ago
I’ve set myself to drive down to Mozilla from SF and work on this: https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/307 https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/307 Lots of Meetups happen at the pinned library in SF so it’s likely legit. Shameless plug: Clojure Engs wanted, esp w Reagent or at least (atom) and UI experience. Streaming video, RSS, RasPi, oh my. Just me sofar, late reg.
- reitanqild 8y ago
  This and your tinydatacenter page seems great. Also I like the styling of that page :-)

ShroudedNight 8y ago

Unless I managed to completely miss something, I see no mention of the copyright issues that likely ensare a good percentage of those who would otherwise be their prime audience. This sounds interesting to me, but having already waded through the issues once on my own, without some serious help resolving the legal aspect of this, the cost of entry is too high for impulse-based participation.

giancarlostoro 8y ago
I'm so confused by what you're saying, do you not understand how software licensing works in regards to copyright? I thought by now its been pretty well understood by the community. The exception being obscurely licensed software.
- ShroudedNight 8y ago
  The problem with copyright is that many of us are subject to broad agreements assigning the ownership of all our programming output to our employers. If we were to contribute to these projects without a clear legal framework in place authorizing us to do so, we open up all parties involved to significant legal risk. If Mozilla had some kind of pre-packaged kit that we could take to our employers for approval, and that once filled out, had a clear scope of authorization, it would go a long way to giving me the courage to try walking the path to contributing again.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    I'm not sure there, I see what you mean now. Thanks for the clarification. I'm not familiar with that case, maybe someone else here on HN would know. Usually most people just don't have to worry about that when contributing to open source. Also depending on the software license, it might trump the supposed claimed copyright of your employer, e.g. GPL code once GPL'd there's no going around it. Or other licenses which revoke your use of their code the second you try to sue. Software licenses are kind of smart in their own regard. Sidenote: I personally would refuse to work for anybody who tries to own code I write outside of work with my own hardware / tools. Thankfully where I work we're very open source friendly, not only do we use open source tooling / OS' but in some cases we contribute back directly where appropriate.

TheAceOfHearts 8y ago

An accompanying explanation would've been nice. For future visitors [0]: > Mozilla’s Global Sprint, a distributed work/collaboration sprint on open projects from around the world! > Every issue in this repository represents a project seeking contribution. [0] https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/299 https://github.com/mozilla/global-sprint/issues/299

vardump 8y ago

One really cool project would be to make Firefox's webassembly compiler work standalone as a dynamic library. Even baseline compiler would be useful.

ShroudedNight 8y ago
Do you mean the JIT compiler? If so, there has been some work fusing Eclipse OMR's JITBuilder to wabt here: https://github.com/wasmjit-omr/wasmjit-omr https://github.com/wasmjit-omr/wasmjit-omr It's probably significantly more primordial than what you want, but mentioning it on the chance it's useful.
- vardump 8y ago
  A library with small binary size that is easy to integrate. Supporting at least x86(-64) and ARMv7 (default + thumb2, 64-bit ARMv8 would be a big plus). Something that would enable multi-platform plugins.