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Go vegan! With 1 move, you reduce or greatly eliminate all the saturated fat, cholesterol, antibiotics, hormones(from any farmed animal, which is 95% of all),

Go vegan! With 1 move, you reduce or greatly eliminate all the saturated fat, cholesterol, antibiotics, hormones(from any farmed animal, which is 95% of all), heavy metals and pollutants(concentrated in sea creatures due to bioaccumulation), you reduce the risk from the typical western diseases - cancers, heart problems, toxic reactions and autoimmune diseases. The environmental and ethical benefits are a bonus.

m0ck 8y ago
As a relatively big person, doing heavy exercise several times a week, I simply cannot image how would I get all proteins I get from eating meat, eggs and dairy products (I can,but it involves eating huge amounts of expensive vegan food).
- ajaxaddicted 8y ago
  As I mentioned - you also get all the toxic baggage from the animal products, which kind of negates the other side - you exercise because you want to stay healthy. Also - you may have heard that excessive amounts of protein ages you faster - most protein heavy foods are also pro oxidants and oxidative stress ages your cells. The expensive vegan foods - meat, eggs, dairy are processed plants. So what you are saying is - if you eat the plants directly, they will be more expensive compared to filtering them through an animal and then eating them. Does not make sense. For the heavy exercise - they are now ultra marathon runners, power lifters, etc that are vegan. Where do they get their protein? https://www.ranker.com/list/athletes-who-are-vegan/people-in-sports https://www.ranker.com/list/athletes-who-are-vegan/people-in...
  - StriverGuy 8y ago
    Toxic baggage...I get the feeling you haven't spent much time reading into the actual science of omnivore diets.
    - ajaxaddicted 8y ago
      Maybe I have not. Can you get back to me with some information debunking the following claims: Meat - loaded with trans fat, cholesterol, antibiotics. Milk - full with estrogen(it is from a mammal after all), Casomorphin, which makes it addictive, antibiotics, cholesterol and trans fat, just like meat. Eggs - full with cholesterol and choline, illegal to advertise them as healthy or safe in the US. Fish - full with heavy metals like Lead, Mercury, antibiotics.
      - vram22 8y ago
        >Eggs - full with cholesterol and choline, illegal to advertise them as healthy or safe in the US. Is this really true?
        ajaxaddicted 8y ago
        Yes, it is: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-says-eggs-arent-healthy-or-safe/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-says-eggs-arent-healthy...
        vram22 8y ago
        Thanks, will look at that.
        TheKIngofBelAir 8y ago
        https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/05/07/-eggs-not-linked-to-cardiovascular-risk--despite-conflicting-adv.html https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/05/07/-eggs-not...
        vram22 8y ago
        The article says, at the end of it: >The research was supported with a grant from Australian Eggs; they had no role in the research design, conduct, analyses or writing of the manuscript. Not sure what to make of that ...
- PerfectElement 8y ago
  This is called "the protein myth". I encourage you to do some research on it.
StriverGuy 8y ago
Veganism is not by definition healthy. Eating meat is not by definition unhealthy. Dietary cholesterol is not directly linked to blood levels of cholesterol. Most recent science suggest high carbohydrate consumption (typically in a vegan diet) is heavily linked to high cholesterol.
- ajaxaddicted 8y ago
  I would love a link to that recent science :) Also - there is no cholesterol intake at all in a vegan diet. How does it get high if that is the case?
  - rocannon 8y ago
    Here's a 2010 Scientific American article, "Carbs against Cardio: More Evidence that Refined Carbohydrates, not Fats, Threaten the Heart": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbs-against-cardio/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbs-against-car... Note the emphasis on refined carbohydrates. I would think that if you ate an unhealthy vegan diet which emphasized lots of junk food like high fructose corn syrup loaded sodas, etc, you'd be pretty unhealthy. Personally, I suspect that a vegan diet can be very healthy for you, but it could also be quite bad for you, depending on how you do it. Regarding cholesterol: Humans make cholesterol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol Also: http://www.berkeleywellness.com/healthy-eating/nutrition/article/how-much-does-cholesterol-food-really-matter http://www.berkeleywellness.com/healthy-eating/nutrition/art... > Many people think that all the cholesterol in their blood (and elsewhere in the body) comes from the cholesterol they eat, which is called dietary or preformed cholesterol. In fact, most of it is made by our livers.
    - ajaxaddicted 8y ago
      Just a quick note on Ronald M. Krauss, which is mentioned in this article. He has been working for the National Cattleman's Beef Association and the National Dairy Council since 1990, so his "research" is heavily biased towards his sponsors. https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2014nl/mar/140300.pdf https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2014nl/mar/140300.pdf This information can be also found on his own page here: http://www.chori.org/Principal_Investigators/Krauss_Ronald/krauss_activities.html http://www.chori.org/Principal_Investigators/Krauss_Ronald/k... in the Other Activities (since 1990) section

m0ck 8y ago

As a relatively big person, doing heavy exercise several times a week, I simply cannot image how would I get all proteins I get from eating meat, eggs and dairy products (I can,but it involves eating huge amounts of expensive vegan food).

ajaxaddicted 8y ago
As I mentioned - you also get all the toxic baggage from the animal products, which kind of negates the other side - you exercise because you want to stay healthy. Also - you may have heard that excessive amounts of protein ages you faster - most protein heavy foods are also pro oxidants and oxidative stress ages your cells. The expensive vegan foods - meat, eggs, dairy are processed plants. So what you are saying is - if you eat the plants directly, they will be more expensive compared to filtering them through an animal and then eating them. Does not make sense. For the heavy exercise - they are now ultra marathon runners, power lifters, etc that are vegan. Where do they get their protein? https://www.ranker.com/list/athletes-who-are-vegan/people-in-sports https://www.ranker.com/list/athletes-who-are-vegan/people-in...
- StriverGuy 8y ago
  Toxic baggage...I get the feeling you haven't spent much time reading into the actual science of omnivore diets.
  - ajaxaddicted 8y ago
    Maybe I have not. Can you get back to me with some information debunking the following claims: Meat - loaded with trans fat, cholesterol, antibiotics. Milk - full with estrogen(it is from a mammal after all), Casomorphin, which makes it addictive, antibiotics, cholesterol and trans fat, just like meat. Eggs - full with cholesterol and choline, illegal to advertise them as healthy or safe in the US. Fish - full with heavy metals like Lead, Mercury, antibiotics.
    - vram22 8y ago
      >Eggs - full with cholesterol and choline, illegal to advertise them as healthy or safe in the US. Is this really true?
      - ajaxaddicted 8y ago
        Yes, it is: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-says-eggs-arent-healthy-or-safe/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/who-says-eggs-arent-healthy...
        vram22 8y ago
        Thanks, will look at that.
        TheKIngofBelAir 8y ago
        https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/05/07/-eggs-not-linked-to-cardiovascular-risk--despite-conflicting-adv.html https://sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2018/05/07/-eggs-not...
        vram22 8y ago
        The article says, at the end of it: >The research was supported with a grant from Australian Eggs; they had no role in the research design, conduct, analyses or writing of the manuscript. Not sure what to make of that ...
PerfectElement 8y ago
This is called "the protein myth". I encourage you to do some research on it.

StriverGuy 8y ago

Veganism is not by definition healthy. Eating meat is not by definition unhealthy. Dietary cholesterol is not directly linked to blood levels of cholesterol. Most recent science suggest high carbohydrate consumption (typically in a vegan diet) is heavily linked to high cholesterol.

ajaxaddicted 8y ago
I would love a link to that recent science :) Also - there is no cholesterol intake at all in a vegan diet. How does it get high if that is the case?
- rocannon 8y ago
  Here's a 2010 Scientific American article, "Carbs against Cardio: More Evidence that Refined Carbohydrates, not Fats, Threaten the Heart": https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbs-against-cardio/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carbs-against-car... Note the emphasis on refined carbohydrates. I would think that if you ate an unhealthy vegan diet which emphasized lots of junk food like high fructose corn syrup loaded sodas, etc, you'd be pretty unhealthy. Personally, I suspect that a vegan diet can be very healthy for you, but it could also be quite bad for you, depending on how you do it. Regarding cholesterol: Humans make cholesterol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholesterol Also: http://www.berkeleywellness.com/healthy-eating/nutrition/article/how-much-does-cholesterol-food-really-matter http://www.berkeleywellness.com/healthy-eating/nutrition/art... > Many people think that all the cholesterol in their blood (and elsewhere in the body) comes from the cholesterol they eat, which is called dietary or preformed cholesterol. In fact, most of it is made by our livers.
  - ajaxaddicted 8y ago
    Just a quick note on Ronald M. Krauss, which is mentioned in this article. He has been working for the National Cattleman's Beef Association and the National Dairy Council since 1990, so his "research" is heavily biased towards his sponsors. https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2014nl/mar/140300.pdf https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2014nl/mar/140300.pdf This information can be also found on his own page here: http://www.chori.org/Principal_Investigators/Krauss_Ronald/krauss_activities.html http://www.chori.org/Principal_Investigators/Krauss_Ronald/k... in the Other Activities (since 1990) section