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This. We need farmers, not engineers.

by astrodev 8y ago

garmaine 8y ago
That’s a very interesting opinion on hacker news.
- andyjohnson0 8y ago
  It's an uncomplimentary reference to a scene in the film Interstellar.
  - Robotbeat 8y ago
    And odd, isn't it? 1) The whole point of Interstellar is, yeah, if you're facing an existential threat, more farmers isn't going to help you much. 2) Farming is one of the biggest contributors to climate change and perhaps THE largest contributor to humanity's impact on the environment. We probably need to eliminate most farming and replace it with a synthesized vegan diet (i.e. grown in vats, processed to reintroduce texture, etc) if we really care about protecting the environment.
    - maxerickson 8y ago
      Can we make the vats out of self replicating carbon structures and then stick them out in sunny, sandy soil?
      - Robotbeat 8y ago
        We can (haha, farming), but it's much less efficient than synthesis (i.e. photovoltaics to produce electrolyzed hydrogen/methane which is then fed to hydrogenotrophic/methanotrophic bacteria that produce protein, starches, fats, etc), especially for protein production. And it competes with nature for land and resources, especially water. And the need to keep pests at bay also causes big impacts. As does the run-off.
    - whatshisface 8y ago
      If we're imagining technology advanced enough to vat-grow vegetables (and social controls strong enough to make everyone eat them), we might as well just imagine better runoff control, better land usage, and low-toxicity pest and herbicides.
      - Robotbeat 8y ago
        We already do eat vat-grown stuff. And I'm mostly talking about staples, which make up the vast majority of farmland. For anything mashed or made into flour or oil or powder, there's basically no fundamental difference between it being made in a vat versus a field. Whole, unprocessed vegetables like lettuce, etc? Well, that corresponds to a small fraction of farmland, and it also grows great hydroponically. Don't need to grow that in vats.
        wiz21c 8y ago
        >>> it also grows great hydroponically you must be joking. A lettuce which has grown in some backyards, with time and sun (and a lot of fight against various insects, true) tastes so much better. But maybe your hydroponics are better than mine. I'm all for optimizing farming if it's possible but I don't want any compromise on quality (taste, nutrients, whatever).
    - wiz21c 8y ago
      >>> We probably need to eliminate most farming For a start we could just avoid wasting so much : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste#Global_extent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste#Global_extent
eloff 8y ago
We don't need farmers. We've had too many farmers for the last 100 years. That's still going the way of consolidation and increasing automation. Engineers on the other hand are in high demand.
- letslightafire 8y ago
  I think it was a reference to Interstellar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E792RxIpnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E792RxIpnU
  - eloff 8y ago
    I saw the movie, but I missed the reference. My comment applies to the guy in the movie. He needs engineers too, not farmers. You don't raise agricultural output with more hands, you raise it with better tech.

This. We need farmers, not engineers.

garmaine 8y ago

That’s a very interesting opinion on hacker news.

andyjohnson0 8y ago
It's an uncomplimentary reference to a scene in the film Interstellar.
- Robotbeat 8y ago
  And odd, isn't it? 1) The whole point of Interstellar is, yeah, if you're facing an existential threat, more farmers isn't going to help you much. 2) Farming is one of the biggest contributors to climate change and perhaps THE largest contributor to humanity's impact on the environment. We probably need to eliminate most farming and replace it with a synthesized vegan diet (i.e. grown in vats, processed to reintroduce texture, etc) if we really care about protecting the environment.
  - maxerickson 8y ago
    Can we make the vats out of self replicating carbon structures and then stick them out in sunny, sandy soil?
    - Robotbeat 8y ago
      We can (haha, farming), but it's much less efficient than synthesis (i.e. photovoltaics to produce electrolyzed hydrogen/methane which is then fed to hydrogenotrophic/methanotrophic bacteria that produce protein, starches, fats, etc), especially for protein production. And it competes with nature for land and resources, especially water. And the need to keep pests at bay also causes big impacts. As does the run-off.
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    If we're imagining technology advanced enough to vat-grow vegetables (and social controls strong enough to make everyone eat them), we might as well just imagine better runoff control, better land usage, and low-toxicity pest and herbicides.
    - Robotbeat 8y ago
      We already do eat vat-grown stuff. And I'm mostly talking about staples, which make up the vast majority of farmland. For anything mashed or made into flour or oil or powder, there's basically no fundamental difference between it being made in a vat versus a field. Whole, unprocessed vegetables like lettuce, etc? Well, that corresponds to a small fraction of farmland, and it also grows great hydroponically. Don't need to grow that in vats.
      - wiz21c 8y ago
        >>> it also grows great hydroponically you must be joking. A lettuce which has grown in some backyards, with time and sun (and a lot of fight against various insects, true) tastes so much better. But maybe your hydroponics are better than mine. I'm all for optimizing farming if it's possible but I don't want any compromise on quality (taste, nutrients, whatever).
  - wiz21c 8y ago
    >>> We probably need to eliminate most farming For a start we could just avoid wasting so much : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste#Global_extent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_waste#Global_extent

eloff 8y ago

We don't need farmers. We've had too many farmers for the last 100 years. That's still going the way of consolidation and increasing automation. Engineers on the other hand are in high demand.

letslightafire 8y ago
I think it was a reference to Interstellar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E792RxIpnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E792RxIpnU
- eloff 8y ago
  I saw the movie, but I missed the reference. My comment applies to the guy in the movie. He needs engineers too, not farmers. You don't raise agricultural output with more hands, you raise it with better tech.