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This is arguing dishonestly, as you presumably understand the difference between using examples to illustrate a principle, and a direct comparison. Why not just

This is arguing dishonestly, as you presumably understand the difference between using examples to illustrate a principle, and a direct comparison. Why not just address the point, instead of being “outraged” by his presentation?

Turing_Machine 8y ago
> This is arguing dishonestly No, it isn't. He is arguing that the government of Michigan's laws are bad because the Nazis had bad laws. There's dishonesty for you.
- portofcall 8y ago
  He is arguing that the government of Michigan's laws are bad because the Nazis had bad laws. There's dishonesty for you. Yes, you’re being dishonest. If you use the state as a metric for ethics you'll end up disappointed. He spelled it out in the post you’re aggressively misinterpreting and it’s decidedly not the fiction you’re peddling. So are you really losing track of what’s been said, in which case it’s time to step back, or are you being dishonest? You don’t seem like you’re losing track, so...
  - Turing_Machine 8y ago
    I'm not "misinterpreting" anything, aggressively or otherwise. He is lumping all states together as "the state", giving an example of some unethical states, and arguing from that that no state is ethical, or pays any attention to ethical concerns. That argument is pure garbage.
    - portofcall 8y ago
      You said He is arguing that the government of Michigan's laws are bad because the Nazis had bad laws. Which simply isn’t true. He actually said outright: If you use the state as a metric for ethics you'll end up disappointed. Now, you may think that’s garbage, but you’re not free to pretend that he said completely different things he didn’t actually say. Remember how you hate inaccuracy? Do you think that what you were doing before was accurate? How about playing semantic games now with the word “state,” is that accurate? It isn’t, it’s evasive. So, what are you evading?
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      - Turing_Machine 8y ago
        There is no "the state" to "use as a metric". That's what's dishonest. > Do you think that what you were doing before was accurate? Pointing out that the government of Nazi Germany and the government of Michigan aren't the same in any meaningful way? Yes. That's accurate.
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Turing_Machine 8y ago

> This is arguing dishonestly No, it isn't. He is arguing that the government of Michigan's laws are bad because the Nazis had bad laws. There's dishonesty for you.

portofcall 8y ago
He is arguing that the government of Michigan's laws are bad because the Nazis had bad laws. There's dishonesty for you. Yes, you’re being dishonest. If you use the state as a metric for ethics you'll end up disappointed. He spelled it out in the post you’re aggressively misinterpreting and it’s decidedly not the fiction you’re peddling. So are you really losing track of what’s been said, in which case it’s time to step back, or are you being dishonest? You don’t seem like you’re losing track, so...
- Turing_Machine 8y ago
  I'm not "misinterpreting" anything, aggressively or otherwise. He is lumping all states together as "the state", giving an example of some unethical states, and arguing from that that no state is ethical, or pays any attention to ethical concerns. That argument is pure garbage.
  - portofcall 8y ago
    You said He is arguing that the government of Michigan's laws are bad because the Nazis had bad laws. Which simply isn’t true. He actually said outright: If you use the state as a metric for ethics you'll end up disappointed. Now, you may think that’s garbage, but you’re not free to pretend that he said completely different things he didn’t actually say. Remember how you hate inaccuracy? Do you think that what you were doing before was accurate? How about playing semantic games now with the word “state,” is that accurate? It isn’t, it’s evasive. So, what are you evading?
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    - Turing_Machine 8y ago
      There is no "the state" to "use as a metric". That's what's dishonest. > Do you think that what you were doing before was accurate? Pointing out that the government of Nazi Germany and the government of Michigan aren't the same in any meaningful way? Yes. That's accurate.
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