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By those modern standards, they’re already doing better than the US and UK for example. They didn’t invade Afghanistan and Iraq, they didn’t destabilize Libya,

By those modern standards, they’re already doing better than the US and UK for example. They didn’t invade Afghanistan and Iraq, they didn’t destabilize Libya, and they don’t have a secret program of drone killings all over the world. Lose the apartheid nonsense too, you’re insulting the Israelis, and the South Africans who suffered under the real deal.

Mizza 8y ago
"I know you are, but what I am I" doesn't excuse Israel for its crimes. The US isn't excused either - that's the whole point I'm making: no special treatment. And yes, Israel does have a drone assassination program - that's where the US got the idea for theirs. The US Hunter and Pioneer UAV systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models, etc.
- portofcall 8y ago
  ...just that it should be held to modern western moral standards and accountability with regards to human rights.. You remember posting that, right? Israel does have a drone assassination program - that's where the US got the idea for theirs. The US Hunter and Pioneer UAV systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models, etc. Citations for that?
  - Mizza 8y ago
    The crimes of the US don't excuse the crimes of Israel. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to grasp. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_Israel https://www.army-technology.com/features/featureuav-evolution-natural-selection-drone-revolution/ https://www.army-technology.com/features/featureuav-evolutio... https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582099085/journalist-details-israels-secret-history-of-targeted-assassinations https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582099085/journalist-details-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killings_by_Israel_Defense_Forces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killings_by_Israel_De... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/books/review-rise-and-kill-first-israel-assassinations-ronen-bergman.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/books/review-rise-and-kil... “Since World War II, Israel has assassinated more people than any other country in the Western world.”

Mizza 8y ago

"I know you are, but what I am I" doesn't excuse Israel for its crimes. The US isn't excused either - that's the whole point I'm making: no special treatment. And yes, Israel does have a drone assassination program - that's where the US got the idea for theirs. The US Hunter and Pioneer UAV systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models, etc.

portofcall 8y ago
...just that it should be held to modern western moral standards and accountability with regards to human rights.. You remember posting that, right? Israel does have a drone assassination program - that's where the US got the idea for theirs. The US Hunter and Pioneer UAV systems are direct derivatives of Israeli models, etc. Citations for that?
- Mizza 8y ago
  The crimes of the US don't excuse the crimes of Israel. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to grasp. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_aerial_vehicle... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killing#Use_by_Israel https://www.army-technology.com/features/featureuav-evolution-natural-selection-drone-revolution/ https://www.army-technology.com/features/featureuav-evolutio... https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582099085/journalist-details-israels-secret-history-of-targeted-assassinations https://www.npr.org/2018/01/31/582099085/journalist-details-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killings_by_Israel_Defense_Forces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeted_killings_by_Israel_De... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/books/review-rise-and-kill-first-israel-assassinations-ronen-bergman.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/31/books/review-rise-and-kil... “Since World War II, Israel has assassinated more people than any other country in the Western world.”