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Perfect time to start moving (and contributing) to decentralized services. I've been following the development of https://beakerbrowser.com https://beakerbrows

by noam87 8y ago

Perfect time to start moving (and contributing) to decentralized services. I've been following the development of https://beakerbrowser.com https://beakerbrowser.com and I really hope it captures wider attention. -- It's not just super user friendly already, it's actually easier to set up a Beaker website than one on the regular net (literally one click).

greglindahl 8y ago
Don't forget that Blumenthal pounded a bunch of nails into Usenet's coffin while he was Connecticut AG.
- cft 8y ago
  Can you provide some context?
  - dredmorbius 8y ago
    I find this: https://www.cnet.com/news/state-attorneys-general-push-online-child-safety-snake-oil/ https://www.cnet.com/news/state-attorneys-general-push-onlin... Which suggests Andrew Cuomo had a bigger effect: https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-to-curb-usenet-access/ https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-t...
wtfstatists 8y ago
What are you going to do when decentralization/encryption/etc itself become illegal ?
- mirimir 8y ago
  How well has the War on Drugs worked?
  - arpa 8y ago
    Ask the people arrested and jailed for posession of cannabis. I mean, both you and the parent comment are right: we, the people, shall resist; but we, the people, must also do our best to prevent such legislation come to pass.
    - mirimir 8y ago
      Yes, I agree. My point was that marijuana has remained popular in the US, despite several decades of draconian suppression. But perhaps people won't care so much about freedom of expression online.
  - TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
    As a tool of social engineering? It’s been a huge success. I hope no one thinks it was ever about minimising drug addiction and the organised corruption that feeds off it. (See also: Gary Webb, private for-profit jails, etc.)
- md224 8y ago
  When using Tor becomes illegal, then I'll know we're completely fucked. On a side note: it will be interesting to see if tighter government regulation has any impact on the popularity of the dark web.
- EGreg 8y ago
  Ask the Chinese
- userbinator 8y ago
  "If you outlaw freedom, only outlaws will have freedom." Mass disobedience is probably the only way.
mtgx 8y ago
Yes, it's time. But notice how everytime there is talk about a decentralized project, some of the comments are like "so how will this censor child porn or copyright infringement on the network" or similar. Decentralized projects will have to resist the urge to listen to these people, because otherwise they shouldn't even bother if the decentralized projects will have built-in censorship mechanisms. Law enforcement should go straight after the criminals, not after the platforms, just like when they go straight after the people publishing child porn on the Tor network, not after the Tor browser. That's how it should work.
- posterboy 8y ago
  > Decentralized projects will have to resist the urge to listen to these people Think about it like this: "how will this censor calls on the network to censor the network". It's quite a conundrom. Your proposal to well just don't listen to them is a form of self censoring -- not in the usual sense but I don't know a better term. Two sides of the same coin. One is the optimal case, you stay ignorant and it goes away, all do their best. On the other side, you can't just shut your eyes and ignore everything, which leads to various problems, some you don't want to or can't deal with and others can be resolved satisfactory. ... Funny by-the-way. Zensur in german also means school-related "mark", "grade". Sp census is just evaluation. Weighting. Multiply content by its grade and you get zero contentrating for zero census votes. ... does that make sense?

by noam87 8y ago

greglindahl 8y ago

Don't forget that Blumenthal pounded a bunch of nails into Usenet's coffin while he was Connecticut AG.

cft 8y ago
Can you provide some context?
- dredmorbius 8y ago
  I find this: https://www.cnet.com/news/state-attorneys-general-push-online-child-safety-snake-oil/ https://www.cnet.com/news/state-attorneys-general-push-onlin... Which suggests Andrew Cuomo had a bigger effect: https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-to-curb-usenet-access/ https://www.cnet.com/news/n-y-attorney-general-forces-isps-t...

wtfstatists 8y ago

What are you going to do when decentralization/encryption/etc itself become illegal ?

mirimir 8y ago
How well has the War on Drugs worked?
- arpa 8y ago
  Ask the people arrested and jailed for posession of cannabis. I mean, both you and the parent comment are right: we, the people, shall resist; but we, the people, must also do our best to prevent such legislation come to pass.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    Yes, I agree. My point was that marijuana has remained popular in the US, despite several decades of draconian suppression. But perhaps people won't care so much about freedom of expression online.
- TheOtherHobbes 8y ago
  As a tool of social engineering? It’s been a huge success. I hope no one thinks it was ever about minimising drug addiction and the organised corruption that feeds off it. (See also: Gary Webb, private for-profit jails, etc.)
md224 8y ago
When using Tor becomes illegal, then I'll know we're completely fucked. On a side note: it will be interesting to see if tighter government regulation has any impact on the popularity of the dark web.
EGreg 8y ago
Ask the Chinese
userbinator 8y ago
"If you outlaw freedom, only outlaws will have freedom." Mass disobedience is probably the only way.

mtgx 8y ago

Yes, it's time. But notice how everytime there is talk about a decentralized project, some of the comments are like "so how will this censor child porn or copyright infringement on the network" or similar. Decentralized projects will have to resist the urge to listen to these people, because otherwise they shouldn't even bother if the decentralized projects will have built-in censorship mechanisms. Law enforcement should go straight after the criminals, not after the platforms, just like when they go straight after the people publishing child porn on the Tor network, not after the Tor browser. That's how it should work.

posterboy 8y ago
> Decentralized projects will have to resist the urge to listen to these people Think about it like this: "how will this censor calls on the network to censor the network". It's quite a conundrom. Your proposal to well just don't listen to them is a form of self censoring -- not in the usual sense but I don't know a better term. Two sides of the same coin. One is the optimal case, you stay ignorant and it goes away, all do their best. On the other side, you can't just shut your eyes and ignore everything, which leads to various problems, some you don't want to or can't deal with and others can be resolved satisfactory. ... Funny by-the-way. Zensur in german also means school-related "mark", "grade". Sp census is just evaluation. Weighting. Multiply content by its grade and you get zero contentrating for zero census votes. ... does that make sense?