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Some people just want to see the world burn. So maybe let's delete the whole internet and get back to letters, telegrams, pidgins and encyclopaedias? No one is

by dotsh 8y ago

Some people just want to see the world burn. So maybe let's delete the whole internet and get back to letters, telegrams, pidgins and encyclopaedias? No one is forcing you to use dev, nightly or anything else if it is not consistent with your faith. Especially Mozilla they made some silly things but are one of the most "privacy and shit" companies out there and they will not come to your house and beat you because you do not want to do something.

kuschku 8y ago
That's certainly one approach. The other approach is that, unless explicit consent is given, people are supposed to be safe. Nightly is often required because a lot of functionality for developers is only available there, e.g. custom xpi legacy addons even in FF61. It's nightly or nothing for this, and as a reminder, stable also was affected by CliqZ.
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- dotsh 8y ago
  You are using Nightly "wrong" because of attachment to old extensions that will perish in June when all legacy stuff will be blocked. Nightly is only for testing out new features and it's not intended to be production ready browser... but everyone has an own use case. Yet do not beat them for wanting to change something for the better after using testing technology.
  - kuschku 8y ago
    I'm not using it for "old" extensions. Even today, every new feature you want to have in the WebExtension API needs to be implemented as a legacy extension providing this API first, then it will get tested, and then it will maybe become part of core Firefox. The official process to add apis for WebExtensions is to write a legacy extension. Which is exactly what I'm doing to support my custom extension that replaces the entire history and bookmarking system, UI and toolbars of Firefox, for which I need a custom API. I suggest you read the wiki on why nightly still supports legacy extensions before judging people.
    - dotsh 8y ago
      I'm not judging I wrote that everyone has it's own use case. My only point is don't use test version if you don't want to be tested or opt-out of it. ;)
- throwawayReply 8y ago
  You should be using Aurora not Nightly for those features.
  - kuschku 8y ago
    Aurora does, afaik, not allow extending the WebExtension API with a custom legacy extension, this is only available in nightly.
piyush_soni 8y ago
Extending your argument only a bit, "No one is forcing you to use Firefox stable release version if it is not consistent with your faith". "No one is forcing you to use computers and internet if they are not consistent with your faith". I see so much irony in your statement. It's not about forcing anyone. It's about taking the web forward, and data security which Mozilla says it believes in. Nightly definitely means there could be unintentional mistakes and bugs, but does not mean it has our blanket agreement to intentionally sharing all of our private data by default.
- dotsh 8y ago
  So how do you want take web forward without testing new things based on real life data? Did you even read what they want to do and how they are going to do it?
  - piyush_soni 8y ago
    By doing things with a clearly visible message and explicit, prior, opt-in permission, perhaps? What's so difficult about that?
    - dotsh 8y ago
      Seriously they have to? Isn't this obvious enough? When downloading TEST RELEASE you willingly accept that it will collect anonymous data and send it to them. If you do not want to test something, because you're opposed to it, do not do it. A lot of companies do that and I do not see anyone complaining about it for example Apple and macOS betas.
  - dade_ 8y ago
    I just received this email from my bank. Something like this would be nice: "Below is a link to the 2018 Annual Privacy Notice. This Notice provides details on the types of information we collect, why we collect it, and with whom we may share it. Collecting and permissible sharing of your information allows us to offer you a comprehensive range of services to help you meet your financial goals. "
superjambo 8y ago
Or perhaps the developers could just request consent before taking your data? I mean if that is just too difficult then what hope do they have of developing anything.

by dotsh 8y ago

kuschku 8y ago

That's certainly one approach. The other approach is that, unless explicit consent is given, people are supposed to be safe. Nightly is often required because a lot of functionality for developers is only available there, e.g. custom xpi legacy addons even in FF61. It's nightly or nothing for this, and as a reminder, stable also was affected by CliqZ.

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dotsh 8y ago
You are using Nightly "wrong" because of attachment to old extensions that will perish in June when all legacy stuff will be blocked. Nightly is only for testing out new features and it's not intended to be production ready browser... but everyone has an own use case. Yet do not beat them for wanting to change something for the better after using testing technology.
- kuschku 8y ago
  I'm not using it for "old" extensions. Even today, every new feature you want to have in the WebExtension API needs to be implemented as a legacy extension providing this API first, then it will get tested, and then it will maybe become part of core Firefox. The official process to add apis for WebExtensions is to write a legacy extension. Which is exactly what I'm doing to support my custom extension that replaces the entire history and bookmarking system, UI and toolbars of Firefox, for which I need a custom API. I suggest you read the wiki on why nightly still supports legacy extensions before judging people.
  - dotsh 8y ago
    I'm not judging I wrote that everyone has it's own use case. My only point is don't use test version if you don't want to be tested or opt-out of it. ;)
throwawayReply 8y ago
You should be using Aurora not Nightly for those features.
- kuschku 8y ago
  Aurora does, afaik, not allow extending the WebExtension API with a custom legacy extension, this is only available in nightly.

piyush_soni 8y ago

Extending your argument only a bit, "No one is forcing you to use Firefox stable release version if it is not consistent with your faith". "No one is forcing you to use computers and internet if they are not consistent with your faith". I see so much irony in your statement. It's not about forcing anyone. It's about taking the web forward, and data security which Mozilla says it believes in. Nightly definitely means there could be unintentional mistakes and bugs, but does not mean it has our blanket agreement to intentionally sharing all of our private data by default.

dotsh 8y ago
So how do you want take web forward without testing new things based on real life data? Did you even read what they want to do and how they are going to do it?
- piyush_soni 8y ago
  By doing things with a clearly visible message and explicit, prior, opt-in permission, perhaps? What's so difficult about that?
  - dotsh 8y ago
    Seriously they have to? Isn't this obvious enough? When downloading TEST RELEASE you willingly accept that it will collect anonymous data and send it to them. If you do not want to test something, because you're opposed to it, do not do it. A lot of companies do that and I do not see anyone complaining about it for example Apple and macOS betas.
- dade_ 8y ago
  I just received this email from my bank. Something like this would be nice: "Below is a link to the 2018 Annual Privacy Notice. This Notice provides details on the types of information we collect, why we collect it, and with whom we may share it. Collecting and permissible sharing of your information allows us to offer you a comprehensive range of services to help you meet your financial goals. "

superjambo 8y ago

Or perhaps the developers could just request consent before taking your data? I mean if that is just too difficult then what hope do they have of developing anything.