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That is simply not true. Google has been a much stronger supporter of open source. Ever heard of Android? What about Kubernetes? Chromium? Also, Google Docs su

That is simply not true. Google has been a much stronger supporter of open source. Ever heard of Android? What about Kubernetes? Chromium? Also, Google Docs supports exporting to ODS and other document formats... in addition to automatic conversion into Google Drive.

freehunter 9y ago
>Google has been a much stronger supporter of open source That's debatable. According to GitHub, Microsoft is the biggest contributor to open source projects. http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-... In addition, there are quite a few high-profile open source software packages directly from Microsoft. https://opensource.microsoft.com https://opensource.microsoft.com
- patrickaljord 9y ago
  > That's debatable. According to GitHub, Microsoft is the biggest contributor to open source projects. Sorry but this is so wrong, Google does not host any of its biggest project on github: Chromium and Android. There were articles written about this.
  - dec0dedab0de 9y ago
    Yet android is distributed in a way leaves users with even less control than Windows.
    - riku_iki 9y ago
      So, is it possible to create your own forked open source Windows like CyanogenMod and tons of others in Android ecosystem?
      - seba_dos1 9y ago
        You're proving the grandparent's point. Android's "openness" matters only if you want to build your own OS based on Android or you're a system integrator. For users buying Android devices, it's more often than not just as closed platform as any other alternative.
        riku_iki 9y ago
        what kind of extra openness you expect from android?
        Sylos 9y ago
        For example: - A way for users to prohibit internet access per application - no forced installation of the whole Google Play Services, just to get access to the Play Store - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users - less politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated YouTube ToS with that, shortly before introducing a paid option for background playback in their own YouTube app.
        riku_iki 9y ago
        > A way for users to prohibit internet access per application For background data: https://ting.com/blog/ting-tip-for-android-control-which-apps-use-background-mobile-data/ https://ting.com/blog/ting-tip-for-android-control-which-app... > - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users Are you sure it is Android problem and not manufacturers decision, because they are afraid to be flooded with warranty issues from broken rooted phones? > ess politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated YouTube ToS with that, shortly before introducing a paid option for background playback in their own YouTube app. So, these apps are illegal from law standpoint, and make damage to Google. How is this politics?
  - onetimemanytime 9y ago
    >>Sorry but this is so wrong, Google does not host any of its biggest project on github: Chromium and Android. There were articles written about this. I guess they are open source but they exist to line Google's pockets with even more money
    - mrkstu 9y ago
      And that is different than any corporate open source project how, exactly?
    - patrickaljord 9y ago
      Most of Microsoft contributions to open source are "how to make X work on windows or Azure" kind of projects such as linuxkit, node etc. There are a few exceptions though and it's getting better (yay) with really cool projects such as VS code and now many more.
- magicalist 9y ago
  FWIW, those numbers are based on "the number of unique contributors (users who pushed code, opened or commented on an issue or PR)" to a project in those orgs. So not really a measure of those companies' contributions to open source (it counts any action from any user, not just someone from those orgs), but companies also have more than one org (you can see the problem with all the articles covering this from the fact that both angular and google are in the top ten list...).
- braderhart 9y ago
  Let me know when they open source their spyware OS and then we'll talk. Until then you are just continuing to campaign for exploiting educational tools by locking them down so that students can't understand why they are getting forced upgrades, always getting viruses, and having their shopping and browsing information sent to Microsoft Moscow or Mossad.
  - arbie 8y ago
    Entirely too much FUD in your comment.
- braderhart 9y ago
  Did you know that GitHub doesn't equal the definer of open source, in fact in many ways they are the opposite, and that GitLab and many other projects operate outside the confinements of a commercial solution?

freehunter 9y ago

>Google has been a much stronger supporter of open source That's debatable. According to GitHub, Microsoft is the biggest contributor to open source projects. http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-2016-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-github-open-source-... In addition, there are quite a few high-profile open source software packages directly from Microsoft. https://opensource.microsoft.com https://opensource.microsoft.com

patrickaljord 9y ago
> That's debatable. According to GitHub, Microsoft is the biggest contributor to open source projects. Sorry but this is so wrong, Google does not host any of its biggest project on github: Chromium and Android. There were articles written about this.
- dec0dedab0de 9y ago
  Yet android is distributed in a way leaves users with even less control than Windows.
  - riku_iki 9y ago
    So, is it possible to create your own forked open source Windows like CyanogenMod and tons of others in Android ecosystem?
    - seba_dos1 9y ago
      You're proving the grandparent's point. Android's "openness" matters only if you want to build your own OS based on Android or you're a system integrator. For users buying Android devices, it's more often than not just as closed platform as any other alternative.
      - riku_iki 9y ago
        what kind of extra openness you expect from android?
        Sylos 9y ago
        For example: - A way for users to prohibit internet access per application - no forced installation of the whole Google Play Services, just to get access to the Play Store - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users - less politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated YouTube ToS with that, shortly before introducing a paid option for background playback in their own YouTube app.
        riku_iki 9y ago
        > A way for users to prohibit internet access per application For background data: https://ting.com/blog/ting-tip-for-android-control-which-apps-use-background-mobile-data/ https://ting.com/blog/ting-tip-for-android-control-which-app... > - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users Are you sure it is Android problem and not manufacturers decision, because they are afraid to be flooded with warranty issues from broken rooted phones? > ess politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated YouTube ToS with that, shortly before introducing a paid option for background playback in their own YouTube app. So, these apps are illegal from law standpoint, and make damage to Google. How is this politics?
- onetimemanytime 9y ago
  >>Sorry but this is so wrong, Google does not host any of its biggest project on github: Chromium and Android. There were articles written about this. I guess they are open source but they exist to line Google's pockets with even more money
  - mrkstu 9y ago
    And that is different than any corporate open source project how, exactly?
  - patrickaljord 9y ago
    Most of Microsoft contributions to open source are "how to make X work on windows or Azure" kind of projects such as linuxkit, node etc. There are a few exceptions though and it's getting better (yay) with really cool projects such as VS code and now many more.
magicalist 9y ago
FWIW, those numbers are based on "the number of unique contributors (users who pushed code, opened or commented on an issue or PR)" to a project in those orgs. So not really a measure of those companies' contributions to open source (it counts any action from any user, not just someone from those orgs), but companies also have more than one org (you can see the problem with all the articles covering this from the fact that both angular and google are in the top ten list...).
braderhart 9y ago
Let me know when they open source their spyware OS and then we'll talk. Until then you are just continuing to campaign for exploiting educational tools by locking them down so that students can't understand why they are getting forced upgrades, always getting viruses, and having their shopping and browsing information sent to Microsoft Moscow or Mossad.
- arbie 8y ago
  Entirely too much FUD in your comment.
braderhart 9y ago
Did you know that GitHub doesn't equal the definer of open source, in fact in many ways they are the opposite, and that GitLab and many other projects operate outside the confinements of a commercial solution?