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Apple Mac's aren't a success considering their market share. [Personal opinions are irrelevant] Your argument is fallacious: iPod evolved to address the featur

Apple Mac's aren't a success considering their market share. [Personal opinions are irrelevant] Your argument is fallacious: iPod evolved to address the feature issue: so from a single Classic iPod you now have shuffle, nano and touch. even within each type say iPod nano there has been considerable change. Check out the latest nano and the earlier one, adding touchscreen is same as adding complexity. It's probably your Apple bias which seems to be at play here.

symkat 16y ago
"It's probably your Apple bias which seems to be at play here." Yes, because obviously Apple is not considered by their dominating market share of both the MP3[1] and Phone[2] sectors. Apple is also obviously a company that puts tons of knobs, dials and switches on their products to sell them like the toaster in the article and my pointing them out had nothing to do with this. Silly me, and my Apple Fangirlism. [1] http://www.businessweek.com/technology/tech_stats/mp3s060209.htm http://www.businessweek.com/technology/tech_stats/mp3s060209... [2] http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/06/apples_iphone_market_share_three_times_greater_than_android_in_us.html http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/06/apples_iphone_...
- akshayubhat 16y ago
  Again your fanboiism at play: 1: you disregard my statement about evolution of ipod from a simple to a complex interface. Your link shows 3 different types of iPod, which shows that simplicity didn't work and design had to evolve, to incorporate different needs. 2: In regards to iPhone, Blackberry dominates the market share and guess why? Because they provide a much needed functionality "QWERTY keypad", which proves the point of the linked article.
  - symkat 16y ago
    1: You can take not getting a response as me not having a response either because I agree with you, don't care, or don't care to disagree. 2: Splitting a >60% market share with the next best being %9 below is considered a success. Which is in direct disagreement with your original statement, "success considering their market share." Additionally, if you were aiming that at Apple Mac Computers alone, they have 91% of the share of computers sold priced over $1,000[1]. 2a: Your point on QWERTY keyboards on phones is complete and total conjecture and you know it. Personally, I like a keyboard on my phone, which is why I have a droid. If I had no need to ssh from my phone, there is absolutely no reason I would avoid a purely touchscreen phone. [1] http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-1000-PCs-says-NPD/1248313624 http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-ma...
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    Not everybody that is using the Apple product line as a yardstick by which to measure success is an apple 'fanboi[y]'. I've used the iphone/ipod example myself elsewhere in this thread but don't own either product. To immediately label someone and start calling names says more about you than it does about them. I suggest you scan the tone of the conversation around you and moderate accordingly. People can't seem to mention the Apple brand on HN without you jumping all over them with accusations. For instance: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1637376 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1637376
Terretta 16y ago
> Apple Mac's aren't a success considering their market share. Some companies prefer market share. Some companies prefer profit. Your definition of success is your personal opinion, which you admit is irrelevant. "While Apple only commands 7 percent of overall revenues in the PC market, its products account for 35 percent of the operating profits. None of the other manufacturers—which includes such giants as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, and Lenovo—comes even close to matching Apple’s five-to-one ratio between revenue and profit share." http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-revenue-vs-operating-profit-share-of-top-pc-vendors-2010-3 http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-revenue-vs-o...
- kenjackson 16y ago
  But wasn't the point about popularity, not about corporate success? Because the argument was about simplicity leading to sales. Not that simplicity leads to higher margins.
- akshayubhat 16y ago
  Your definition of success is your personal opinion, which you admit is irrelevant. If you have read the article,you will realize the criteria used is market share or selling more than your competitors. The method used in the info graphic mentioned in your article does not differentiates between profits from different divisions within Apple or even HP and Dell. BI is an Apple fanboi site, so no wonder, it dishes out nonsense, to quote from a recent article "how apple is beginning to destroy Googles core search business "http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-apple-is-beginning-to-destroy-googles-core-search-business-2010-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-apple-is-beginning-... The App Store is replacing the web search engine for mobile device users, at least for some searches. This should scare Google, because search is its core business, and it's being supplanted. Anyway this thread is now being flooded by Apple iFanboi's, thus no point in making logical arguments.
  - todayiamme 16y ago
    >>>Anyway this thread is now being flooded by Apple iFanboi's, thus no point in making logical arguments.<<< Look it's of no use whatsoever being a rude asshole over here i.e. HN. You called me an idiot not too long ago (see: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1651363 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1651363 ), and it appears that you like to insult people willy nilly if they don't conform to the mold of your expectations. That isn't the point of HN. The sad bit is that you're missing out on the things that make HN beautiful; having your beliefs questioned and learning new things from amazing people. So, open up your mind a bit and you might love what you see. :) Take care.

symkat 16y ago

"It's probably your Apple bias which seems to be at play here." Yes, because obviously Apple is not considered by their dominating market share of both the MP3[1] and Phone[2] sectors. Apple is also obviously a company that puts tons of knobs, dials and switches on their products to sell them like the toaster in the article and my pointing them out had nothing to do with this. Silly me, and my Apple Fangirlism. [1] http://www.businessweek.com/technology/tech_stats/mp3s060209.htm http://www.businessweek.com/technology/tech_stats/mp3s060209... [2] http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/06/apples_iphone_market_share_three_times_greater_than_android_in_us.html http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/06/apples_iphone_...

akshayubhat 16y ago
Again your fanboiism at play: 1: you disregard my statement about evolution of ipod from a simple to a complex interface. Your link shows 3 different types of iPod, which shows that simplicity didn't work and design had to evolve, to incorporate different needs. 2: In regards to iPhone, Blackberry dominates the market share and guess why? Because they provide a much needed functionality "QWERTY keypad", which proves the point of the linked article.
- symkat 16y ago
  1: You can take not getting a response as me not having a response either because I agree with you, don't care, or don't care to disagree. 2: Splitting a >60% market share with the next best being %9 below is considered a success. Which is in direct disagreement with your original statement, "success considering their market share." Additionally, if you were aiming that at Apple Mac Computers alone, they have 91% of the share of computers sold priced over $1,000[1]. 2a: Your point on QWERTY keyboards on phones is complete and total conjecture and you know it. Personally, I like a keyboard on my phone, which is why I have a droid. If I had no need to ssh from my phone, there is absolutely no reason I would avoid a purely touchscreen phone. [1] http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-market-for-1000-PCs-says-NPD/1248313624 http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/article/Apple-has-91-of-ma...
- jacquesm 16y ago
  Not everybody that is using the Apple product line as a yardstick by which to measure success is an apple 'fanboi[y]'. I've used the iphone/ipod example myself elsewhere in this thread but don't own either product. To immediately label someone and start calling names says more about you than it does about them. I suggest you scan the tone of the conversation around you and moderate accordingly. People can't seem to mention the Apple brand on HN without you jumping all over them with accusations. For instance: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1637376 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1637376

Terretta 16y ago

> Apple Mac's aren't a success considering their market share. Some companies prefer market share. Some companies prefer profit. Your definition of success is your personal opinion, which you admit is irrelevant. "While Apple only commands 7 percent of overall revenues in the PC market, its products account for 35 percent of the operating profits. None of the other manufacturers—which includes such giants as Dell, Hewlett-Packard, and Lenovo—comes even close to matching Apple’s five-to-one ratio between revenue and profit share." http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-revenue-vs-operating-profit-share-of-top-pc-vendors-2010-3 http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-revenue-vs-o...

kenjackson 16y ago
But wasn't the point about popularity, not about corporate success? Because the argument was about simplicity leading to sales. Not that simplicity leads to higher margins.
akshayubhat 16y ago
Your definition of success is your personal opinion, which you admit is irrelevant. If you have read the article,you will realize the criteria used is market share or selling more than your competitors. The method used in the info graphic mentioned in your article does not differentiates between profits from different divisions within Apple or even HP and Dell. BI is an Apple fanboi site, so no wonder, it dishes out nonsense, to quote from a recent article "how apple is beginning to destroy Googles core search business "http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-apple-is-beginning-to-destroy-googles-core-search-business-2010-9 http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-how-apple-is-beginning-... The App Store is replacing the web search engine for mobile device users, at least for some searches. This should scare Google, because search is its core business, and it's being supplanted. Anyway this thread is now being flooded by Apple iFanboi's, thus no point in making logical arguments.
- todayiamme 16y ago
  >>>Anyway this thread is now being flooded by Apple iFanboi's, thus no point in making logical arguments.<<< Look it's of no use whatsoever being a rude asshole over here i.e. HN. You called me an idiot not too long ago (see: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1651363 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1651363 ), and it appears that you like to insult people willy nilly if they don't conform to the mold of your expectations. That isn't the point of HN. The sad bit is that you're missing out on the things that make HN beautiful; having your beliefs questioned and learning new things from amazing people. So, open up your mind a bit and you might love what you see. :) Take care.