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Are all Jewish persons zionists and/or communists? Is that being implied in the post?
by hjrnunes 9y ago
Are all Jewish persons zionists and/or communists? Is that being implied in the post?
- ntzm 9y agoI don't know of any zionist communists at all
- liotier 9y ago> I don't know of any zionist communists at all I met them yesterday with the vegan nazis and the irredentist panafricanists - but you don't hang out at the cool parties !
- ntzm 9y agoSounds like some cool band names ;)
- bigleagueposter 9y agoHitler is the most well known vegetarian.
- coldtea 9y agoThere actually are "vegan nazis". Hitler himself was one.
- slothtrop 9y agoMaybe it's a redundancy then :P
- usrusr 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz Close enough? Really don't see that hijacking art any time soon though.
- kgwgk 9y agoThose are socialists! Remember that millions of people have died in the last century because of that subtle distinction.
- usrusr 9y agoAre you talking about the century where (all attributes based on self-identification) a realm ruled by a socialist party was waging war against socialist republics ruled by a communist party? Doesn't really sound like they were fighting over semantic pedantry. Or maybe they were, and they were just incredibly good at hiding it. In the context of an alleged "art hijacking", I say it doesn't matter at all.
- kgwgk 9y agoYes, I was thinking about the different kinds of socialists and communists killing each other. (Edit: but I’m not talking just about state vs. state, within a country different factions were not always nice to each other.)
- simonh 9y agoI feel a little dirty getting into this thread, but surely you've heard of Kibbutz? Many early Zionists imagined Israel as an idealised Jewish-Marxist utopia. Of course for every Zionist that was socialist, there was another that was ant-communist, and for every communist that was Jewish there were many more that were anti-semitic. But don't let that stop the conspiracy nuts.
- slothtrop 9y agoLikewise every communist I've encountered has been staunchly anti-Israel.
- usrusr 9y agoOr maybe he was claiming that art has been divided between Zionists on one side and the communist branch of the Rothschild family on the other? Or the Rothschild branch of communism? Either way, we will never know.
- hjrnunes 9y agoThe zionist bit I don't quite follow either. But it seems clear that modern art has turned into a speculative multi-million dollar business, so "Rothschild" doesn't seem out of place, with them being the most know financial capitalist family. And since the artists themselves tend to lean on the left and extreme-left of the political spectrum, "communist" doesn't seem an inept term either.
- lucozade 9y ago> Are all Jewish persons zionists and/or communists? They're not all called Rothschild either, that's not really the point. > Is that being implied in the post? No. The post is using standard euphemisms for Jews that are commonly used in anti-semitic literature.
- hjrnunes 9y agoWell, I had to search for the actual terms, because I didn't find them in the post. They're in a comment to the post. So the actual post isn't even using "euphemisms". In any case, my point is that "zionist" isn't a euphemism for "Jew" or "Jewish". It describes a specific political (at least) ideology - which has radical, extremist militants. "Zionist" cannot be anti-semite unless one believes all Jewish persons are zionists. I understand why radical zionists would want to pass that on as true, but it's not. Many Jewish people oppose Zionism on political, humanitarian and religious grounds.
- lucozade 9y ago> "zionist" isn't a euphemism for "Jew" or "Jewish". Yes it is. It doesn't literally mean Jewish but it absolutely is used as a euphemism for Jewish. It's usually easy to tell the difference. If it's being used in the context of the social and political events leading up to the establishment of the state of Israel then it's likely to be the literal meaning. If it's being used in almost any modern context, but especially in the context of conspiracies, secrets or money, then it's very likely to be euphemistic. And anti-semitic.
- slothtrop 9y agoCorrect, it's not even obfuscating the fact that they're merely referring to "Jews". Being pro-Israel is hardly the defining factor as to why they've been signaled out.