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We need some investors to band up and recreate the hardware environment in Shenzhen. There would be a lot of money made that way too so not sure why there would

We need some investors to band up and recreate the hardware environment in Shenzhen. There would be a lot of money made that way too so not sure why there wouldn’t be one in Nevada or Arizona or something.

Slansitartop 9y ago
Yeah, I kinda wish that Apple, as a condition of repatriating its billions at a lower tax rate, had to spend that money standing up Shenzen-like infrastructure somewhere in the US to build its products.
- bb88 9y ago
  I think the problem is that even if they did, they wouldn't use the facilities, because the labor in the Chinese/Taiwanese facilities would still be cheaper.
korethr 9y ago
While I like the idea, I think there are presently cultural barriers in the way of that succeeding, mainly the Western view of IP vs the Eastern view of IP. Bunnie talks about it on his blog here: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297
- bb88 9y ago
  This is pretty spot on. A fun channel on Youtube to watch is BigClive where he tears the stuff from china apart and comments on it. Here's one where he tears down a flicker flame lamp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhtBA0EHDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhtBA0EHDM
- telmnstr 9y ago
  Let's be fair, they steal a ton of IP from the USA. Isn't there large issues in USA colleges with students from China cheating left and right? It's much easier to copy.
puppetmaster400 9y ago
What China did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_Chin... is very reproducible, by USA or anyone. They for decades had 10% GDP growth: BY REDUCING TAXES. Not something popular in California - due to Cali math(CA tax payer does not understand that lower taxes = higher tax revenue )
- maxerickson 9y ago
  The other trick China used is that it started with a very small economy. Per capita GDP is still less than $10,000 per person, compared to $56,000 in California. Have you done your homework on your tax claim? Because it isn't actually guaranteed that lower tax rates will lead to higher tax revenue, it depends on the specifics of the tax regime and proposed cut.
  - puppetmaster400 9y ago
    My homework? Small or big: cutting taxes provides growth. Including more tax revenue.
bewo001 9y ago
This would not work and it isn't even necessary. Looking at how other low-wage fast-growing countries in the past developed, China's wages and costs will soon get close to Western ones and there will be a more fair competition. Eg. if the 1980's hobby economists had been right, all our cars, electronics and computers would be Japanese by now.

Slansitartop 9y ago

Yeah, I kinda wish that Apple, as a condition of repatriating its billions at a lower tax rate, had to spend that money standing up Shenzen-like infrastructure somewhere in the US to build its products.

bb88 9y ago
I think the problem is that even if they did, they wouldn't use the facilities, because the labor in the Chinese/Taiwanese facilities would still be cheaper.

korethr 9y ago

While I like the idea, I think there are presently cultural barriers in the way of that succeeding, mainly the Western view of IP vs the Eastern view of IP. Bunnie talks about it on his blog here: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297

bb88 9y ago
This is pretty spot on. A fun channel on Youtube to watch is BigClive where he tears the stuff from china apart and comments on it. Here's one where he tears down a flicker flame lamp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhtBA0EHDM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhtBA0EHDM
telmnstr 9y ago
Let's be fair, they steal a ton of IP from the USA. Isn't there large issues in USA colleges with students from China cheating left and right? It's much easier to copy.

puppetmaster400 9y ago

What China did: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_economic_zones_of_Chin... is very reproducible, by USA or anyone. They for decades had 10% GDP growth: BY REDUCING TAXES. Not something popular in California - due to Cali math(CA tax payer does not understand that lower taxes = higher tax revenue )

maxerickson 9y ago
The other trick China used is that it started with a very small economy. Per capita GDP is still less than $10,000 per person, compared to $56,000 in California. Have you done your homework on your tax claim? Because it isn't actually guaranteed that lower tax rates will lead to higher tax revenue, it depends on the specifics of the tax regime and proposed cut.
- puppetmaster400 9y ago
  My homework? Small or big: cutting taxes provides growth. Including more tax revenue.

bewo001 9y ago

This would not work and it isn't even necessary. Looking at how other low-wage fast-growing countries in the past developed, China's wages and costs will soon get close to Western ones and there will be a more fair competition. Eg. if the 1980's hobby economists had been right, all our cars, electronics and computers would be Japanese by now.