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myer briggs is basically meaningless

pureGuano 9y ago
I don't know about that. You just shouldn't strap more meaning onto it than that it's a survey that gives you a qualitative description of the answers you gave to it -- people have some innate attraction to such things and I find it hard to criticize them for it. I just don't think it's appropriate to use for career counseling, etc.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  You can't even consistently get the same results for the same person.
  - pureGuano 9y ago
    I'm well aware.
  - itronitron 9y ago
    that applies to a lot of medical tests as well
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      How many of those purport to measure innate characteristics of the subject?
  - musage 9y ago
    "qualitative description of the answers you gave to it" != "qualitative description of person who answered the questions"
- poulsbohemian 9y ago
  @mathperson - pureGuano covers my view of it too, which is why I added that caveat to my message. It's certainly indicative of personality, but not all encompassing. It's pseudo-science, but interesting and a starting place to understand someone.
- lsc 9y ago
  I think mathperson is referring to the fact that 'big 5' is the new personality type test that psychology researchers seem to take more seriously. My understanding is that it's a lot more, I forget the word. reliable or repeatable? I mean, two different big5 tests are more likely to give you the same answer than two different MBTI tests.
  - mathperson 9y ago
    I'm actually not familiar with this exam-I'll look into it!
- lucas_membrane 9y ago
  Educational Testing Service got interested in it long ago and then dumped it. The National Academy of Sciences did a huge project on improving human performance for the US military back in the 1980's, and they put it in the not useful category. What would you expect for an assessment developed by a team of two with no background in assessment? I would extend your evaluation to say that it is not appropriate for use on others, but if you think that it helps you assess yourself, knock yourself out.
woodandsteel 9y ago
You know, if you are going to assert something contrary to common belief, you really should include some arguments. Until you do, I am going to simply assume you're mistaken.
InclinedPlane 9y ago
Yup, it's just modern astrology. A bunch of stuff that is mostly kinda true about almost everybody or things that people want to believe about themselves. A lot of it is honestly just ego stroking. "You're usually not a risk taker, except when it's important." It's embarrassing how many people fall for it.
dasil003 9y ago
Meh, it's a lens. The older I get, the more I appreciate different lenses and how subjective everything ultimately is. A lot of STEM-types chafe at this, and cling to empiricism as a bedrock in the tumult of human experience, but at the end of the day whether an idea has value to me is entirely orthogonal to its scientific basis or lack thereof.

I don't know about that. You just shouldn't strap more meaning onto it than that it's a survey that gives you a qualitative description of the answers you gave to it -- people have some innate attraction to such things and I find it hard to criticize them for it. I just don't think it's appropriate to use for career counseling, etc.

emodendroket 9y ago
You can't even consistently get the same results for the same person.
- pureGuano 9y ago
  I'm well aware.
- itronitron 9y ago
  that applies to a lot of medical tests as well
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    How many of those purport to measure innate characteristics of the subject?
- musage 9y ago
  "qualitative description of the answers you gave to it" != "qualitative description of person who answered the questions"
poulsbohemian 9y ago
@mathperson - pureGuano covers my view of it too, which is why I added that caveat to my message. It's certainly indicative of personality, but not all encompassing. It's pseudo-science, but interesting and a starting place to understand someone.
lsc 9y ago
I think mathperson is referring to the fact that 'big 5' is the new personality type test that psychology researchers seem to take more seriously. My understanding is that it's a lot more, I forget the word. reliable or repeatable? I mean, two different big5 tests are more likely to give you the same answer than two different MBTI tests.
- mathperson 9y ago
  I'm actually not familiar with this exam-I'll look into it!
lucas_membrane 9y ago
Educational Testing Service got interested in it long ago and then dumped it. The National Academy of Sciences did a huge project on improving human performance for the US military back in the 1980's, and they put it in the not useful category. What would you expect for an assessment developed by a team of two with no background in assessment? I would extend your evaluation to say that it is not appropriate for use on others, but if you think that it helps you assess yourself, knock yourself out.

woodandsteel 9y ago

You know, if you are going to assert something contrary to common belief, you really should include some arguments. Until you do, I am going to simply assume you're mistaken.

InclinedPlane 9y ago

Yup, it's just modern astrology. A bunch of stuff that is mostly kinda true about almost everybody or things that people want to believe about themselves. A lot of it is honestly just ego stroking. "You're usually not a risk taker, except when it's important." It's embarrassing how many people fall for it.

dasil003 9y ago

Meh, it's a lens. The older I get, the more I appreciate different lenses and how subjective everything ultimately is. A lot of STEM-types chafe at this, and cling to empiricism as a bedrock in the tumult of human experience, but at the end of the day whether an idea has value to me is entirely orthogonal to its scientific basis or lack thereof.