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> It was a forced famine, this is a common historical knowledge. Let's see a link to a credible source that states it was a forced famine then. Edit: The only

> It was a forced famine, this is a common historical knowledge. Let's see a link to a credible source that states it was a forced famine then. Edit: The only sites I can find that share your view are anti-Semitic neo-Nazi blogs like: zionistreport.com/2016/08/video-terror-under-the-jewish-bolshevik-forced-famine-in-russia-1921-1923/ holodomorinfo.com/glossery/bolshevik-atrocities/russian-forced-famine/ Is that where you're getting your "historical knowledge"? > Of course the link does not talk of it because is is about entirely different thing. What is it you think the submitted link is about then?

Fins 9y ago
I did not know that Wikipedia was a Nazi resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_famine_of_1932%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_famine_of_1932%E2%8... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%93... If you were googling for it, maybe Google knows something interesting about you that it redirects you to nazi sites? Just because some nazis might want to blame only Jews for forced Soviet famines it does not mean that Soviets did not exterminate millions of their own citizens, often by forced starvation.
- Tech-Noir 9y ago
  So despite 7 out of 72 comments on this submission being yours, you don't even know what it's actually about. > If you were googling for it, maybe Google knows something interesting about you that it redirects you to nazi sites? Then, as I asked, show me site that isn't an anti-Semitic neo-Nazi blog that agrees with you that this was a "forced famine".
  - Fins 9y ago
    Uh, the same Wiki? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322#Origins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9... Given how many other famines communists had unleashed, pretty much none of which was caused by big bad American intervention, it is still surprising that the only links you can find are from some fringe sites.
    - Tech-Noir 9y ago
      > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9... Your claim that it was a "forced famine" doesn't appear anywhere on that page. On the contrary, it states: The famine's primary causes were due to severe flooding in the Volga region in 1921, as well as the exacerbation of the Russian Civil War. The only pages on the internet that concur with your belief are anti-Semitic neo-Nazi blogs. > it is still surprising that the only links you can find are from some fringe sites Then again, for the third time of asking, provide some non-"fringe" links that claim, as you do, that it was a "forced famine".
      - Fins 9y ago
        From the link above: "According to the official Bolshevik position, which is still maintained by some modern Marxists, the rich peasants (kulaks) withheld their surplus grain to preserve their lives;[2] statistics indicate that most of the grain and the other food supplies passed through the black market.[3][4][5] The Bolsheviks believed peasants were actively trying to undermine the war effort. The Black Book of Communism asserts that Lenin ordered the seizure of the food peasants had grown for their own subsistence and their seed grain in retaliation for this "sabotage", leading to widespread peasant revolts.[6] In 1920, Lenin ordered increased emphasis on food requisitioning from the peasantry." Still not seeing any fringe sources.
        Tech-Noir 9y ago
        And I'm still not seeing any claim of "forced famine". Did you forget to edit the page before copying it? All your quote says is that some people claim one side was to blame and some people claim another side was to blame. More interesting is that you don't consider to be a "fringe source" the far-right bible The Black Book of Communism - a publication discredited and disowned even by its main authors - which in order to fabricate a high enough death count to paint the Nazis as not so bad after all and the Holocaust as nothing special, classifies as victims the likes of Nazi/SS military personnel and anti-Semitic Ukrainian nationalist militias who murdered thousands of Jews in countless pogroms.

Fins 9y ago

I did not know that Wikipedia was a Nazi resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_famine_of_1932%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_famine_of_1932%E2%8... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%93... If you were googling for it, maybe Google knows something interesting about you that it redirects you to nazi sites? Just because some nazis might want to blame only Jews for forced Soviet famines it does not mean that Soviets did not exterminate millions of their own citizens, often by forced starvation.

Tech-Noir 9y ago
So despite 7 out of 72 comments on this submission being yours, you don't even know what it's actually about. > If you were googling for it, maybe Google knows something interesting about you that it redirects you to nazi sites? Then, as I asked, show me site that isn't an anti-Semitic neo-Nazi blog that agrees with you that this was a "forced famine".
- Fins 9y ago
  Uh, the same Wiki? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322#Origins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9... Given how many other famines communists had unleashed, pretty much none of which was caused by big bad American intervention, it is still surprising that the only links you can find are from some fringe sites.
  - Tech-Noir 9y ago
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9322 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%9... Your claim that it was a "forced famine" doesn't appear anywhere on that page. On the contrary, it states: The famine's primary causes were due to severe flooding in the Volga region in 1921, as well as the exacerbation of the Russian Civil War. The only pages on the internet that concur with your belief are anti-Semitic neo-Nazi blogs. > it is still surprising that the only links you can find are from some fringe sites Then again, for the third time of asking, provide some non-"fringe" links that claim, as you do, that it was a "forced famine".
    - Fins 9y ago
      From the link above: "According to the official Bolshevik position, which is still maintained by some modern Marxists, the rich peasants (kulaks) withheld their surplus grain to preserve their lives;[2] statistics indicate that most of the grain and the other food supplies passed through the black market.[3][4][5] The Bolsheviks believed peasants were actively trying to undermine the war effort. The Black Book of Communism asserts that Lenin ordered the seizure of the food peasants had grown for their own subsistence and their seed grain in retaliation for this "sabotage", leading to widespread peasant revolts.[6] In 1920, Lenin ordered increased emphasis on food requisitioning from the peasantry." Still not seeing any fringe sources.
      - Tech-Noir 9y ago
        And I'm still not seeing any claim of "forced famine". Did you forget to edit the page before copying it? All your quote says is that some people claim one side was to blame and some people claim another side was to blame. More interesting is that you don't consider to be a "fringe source" the far-right bible The Black Book of Communism - a publication discredited and disowned even by its main authors - which in order to fabricate a high enough death count to paint the Nazis as not so bad after all and the Holocaust as nothing special, classifies as victims the likes of Nazi/SS military personnel and anti-Semitic Ukrainian nationalist militias who murdered thousands of Jews in countless pogroms.