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This reflects more or less what we found, in 2016, in the Stack Overflow Developer Survey: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016#salaries-and-rent-per

This reflects more or less what we found, in 2016, in the Stack Overflow Developer Survey: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016#salaries-and-rent-per-city https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2016#salaries-and-... TLDR: Move to Montreal.

nadezhda18 9y ago
glad to read your conclusion! I live in Montreal and I do think it has a surprisingly low CoL combined with a high-quality lifestyle. Glad to see it is confirmed by your data. I personally live in a 3 bedroom apt I rent for $635 a month ($795 if taking into account the electricity used for heating) and the apt is located 25 min by public transportation (foot + metro) away from downtown.
- aphextron 9y ago
  >I personally live in a 3 bedroom apt I rent for $635 a month ($795 if taking into account the electricity used for heating) and the apt is located 25 min by public transportation (foot + metro) away from downtown. Wow thats incredible. What are salaries like though?
  - calcul_integral 9y ago
    For junior back-end node.js dev (right out of school) it was between 50-55k CAD a year ago from offers from gaming places I've got, although video game companies (very big in MTL) are known to pay a bit less and compensate with lifestyle/cool job. Seniors can certainly reach 100k+. edit Another offer I got, Entry level Production Support at a bank pays 60k with 3 weeks of vacations. Deloitte also had a job of customizing ERP for clients in similar $ range if you're interested in corporate stuff. All of the above example are for <1 year of experience. As far as actually getting a job I would say it's very easy, even with little experience. A LOT of companies (tech and non-tech) are looking for talent and you easily get offers, although top/elite companies are mostly similar to the US in term of selection.
  - nadezhda18 9y ago
    I'm on the senior level side and as the previous comment mentioned, it's around 100k CAD (typing it from a phone, cannot easily convert to USD).
- RodericDay 9y ago
  I live here too. It's not just how great our lifestyles are, but we also help pay for a strong social safety net and our good universities cost like 4k a year, and top-of-the-line events like Igloofest and Jazz Fest are cheap or open-access, so you don't have to exclusively hang out with people from your same income class. It feels good knowing your taxes go towards cheap schooling and universal health coverage and public transit, rather than war. When I went to SF I was told if I moved there "I'd live like royalty". I don't want to live like royalty though, I want to live in a sustainable well-functioning city. ps. full stack 3 yr exp -> income ~100k CAD/yr -> rent 400 CAD/mo (downtown 17th floor studio split with partner)

nadezhda18 9y ago

glad to read your conclusion! I live in Montreal and I do think it has a surprisingly low CoL combined with a high-quality lifestyle. Glad to see it is confirmed by your data. I personally live in a 3 bedroom apt I rent for $635 a month ($795 if taking into account the electricity used for heating) and the apt is located 25 min by public transportation (foot + metro) away from downtown.

aphextron 9y ago
>I personally live in a 3 bedroom apt I rent for $635 a month ($795 if taking into account the electricity used for heating) and the apt is located 25 min by public transportation (foot + metro) away from downtown. Wow thats incredible. What are salaries like though?
- calcul_integral 9y ago
  For junior back-end node.js dev (right out of school) it was between 50-55k CAD a year ago from offers from gaming places I've got, although video game companies (very big in MTL) are known to pay a bit less and compensate with lifestyle/cool job. Seniors can certainly reach 100k+. edit Another offer I got, Entry level Production Support at a bank pays 60k with 3 weeks of vacations. Deloitte also had a job of customizing ERP for clients in similar $ range if you're interested in corporate stuff. All of the above example are for <1 year of experience. As far as actually getting a job I would say it's very easy, even with little experience. A LOT of companies (tech and non-tech) are looking for talent and you easily get offers, although top/elite companies are mostly similar to the US in term of selection.
- nadezhda18 9y ago
  I'm on the senior level side and as the previous comment mentioned, it's around 100k CAD (typing it from a phone, cannot easily convert to USD).
RodericDay 9y ago
I live here too. It's not just how great our lifestyles are, but we also help pay for a strong social safety net and our good universities cost like 4k a year, and top-of-the-line events like Igloofest and Jazz Fest are cheap or open-access, so you don't have to exclusively hang out with people from your same income class. It feels good knowing your taxes go towards cheap schooling and universal health coverage and public transit, rather than war. When I went to SF I was told if I moved there "I'd live like royalty". I don't want to live like royalty though, I want to live in a sustainable well-functioning city. ps. full stack 3 yr exp -> income ~100k CAD/yr -> rent 400 CAD/mo (downtown 17th floor studio split with partner)