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What does ethnic homogeneity have to do with this?

by splitrocket 9y ago

Wohlf 9y ago
Studies like these that take place in the USA are labeled racist because they disproportionately include minorities.
- splitrocket 9y ago
  Studies that don’t take into account socio-economics are, in fact, racist. When you control for income and wealth, particularly intergeneraltional, racial differences disappear.
  - BigBuzzKill 9y ago
    Accept that isn’t true. Racial differences rarely disappear even when you take those factors into account. There is evidence that economic inequality has little to no effect whatsoever (1, 2). There is also evidence that inequality is predictive for blacks but no whites (3). There is also data that does support your latter conclusion, but my point is that this issue isn’t as clear cut as you’re framing it as. (1) https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/70/4/1035/2232609?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/70/4/1035/22326... (2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6742630 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6742630 (3) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1999.tb00493.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1999....
    - mempko 9y ago
      Until you can account for multi century generational subjugation its going to be hard to say anything interesting.
  - emmelaich 9y ago
    There's the what and the why. I think gp comment was suggesting that the what is often mixed up with the why. We shouldn't be afraid of getting statistics, but you're indeed correct that you must consider other factors when it comes to interpretation.
- frabbit 9y ago
  "Studies like these that take place in the USA are labeled racist because they disproportionately include minorities." Please provide some factual support for this. Specifically studies that are _like_ this in their construction. Is it possible that there are studies which are, in fact, racist?
coldtea 9y ago
In some places violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by this or that minority -- especially violent crimes of a certain type. Lots of places, for example, have some ethnically-colored mafias. Another case is poorer immigrant minorities committing more crimes than the baseline population (because of their poorer upbringing, lack of opportunities, alienation from the host society, because some things are culturally OK in their old culture but crimes in their new one, etc).

What does ethnic homogeneity have to do with this?

Wohlf 9y ago

Studies like these that take place in the USA are labeled racist because they disproportionately include minorities.

splitrocket 9y ago
Studies that don’t take into account socio-economics are, in fact, racist. When you control for income and wealth, particularly intergeneraltional, racial differences disappear.
- BigBuzzKill 9y ago
  Accept that isn’t true. Racial differences rarely disappear even when you take those factors into account. There is evidence that economic inequality has little to no effect whatsoever (1, 2). There is also evidence that inequality is predictive for blacks but no whites (3). There is also data that does support your latter conclusion, but my point is that this issue isn’t as clear cut as you’re framing it as. (1) https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/70/4/1035/2232609?redirectedFrom=fulltext https://academic.oup.com/sf/article-abstract/70/4/1035/22326... (2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6742630 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6742630 (3) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1999.tb00493.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1745-9125.1999....
  - mempko 9y ago
    Until you can account for multi century generational subjugation its going to be hard to say anything interesting.
- emmelaich 9y ago
  There's the what and the why. I think gp comment was suggesting that the what is often mixed up with the why. We shouldn't be afraid of getting statistics, but you're indeed correct that you must consider other factors when it comes to interpretation.
frabbit 9y ago
"Studies like these that take place in the USA are labeled racist because they disproportionately include minorities." Please provide some factual support for this. Specifically studies that are _like_ this in their construction. Is it possible that there are studies which are, in fact, racist?

coldtea 9y ago

In some places violent crimes are overwhelmingly committed by this or that minority -- especially violent crimes of a certain type. Lots of places, for example, have some ethnically-colored mafias. Another case is poorer immigrant minorities committing more crimes than the baseline population (because of their poorer upbringing, lack of opportunities, alienation from the host society, because some things are culturally OK in their old culture but crimes in their new one, etc).