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Every C compiler and major C library out there to begin with, given that it's the most important and fundamental language in the real world right now. Did you g

by sifoo 9y ago

Every C compiler and major C library out there to begin with, given that it's the most important and fundamental language in the real world right now. Did you get it this time? Have you been living under a rock lately, or are you just pulling the oldest trick in the psychopath book; condemning others for reacting to abuse? Sharing and attacking others for not agreeing is not the same thing, I hope we agree so far.

master-litty 9y ago
C is fundamental and important now, but are you really not sick of it? Don't you wish we had a language that made it easier and more intuitive to program? Because many of us do. I'm personally rather tired of the boilerplate and legacy issues that come up when writing C -- Seriously, some of them being as simple as writing identical function signatures in multiple files. It works but we live in a time where we can move on. We don't have to be discontent with an old technology. We have the momentum and community to, who knows, maybe even totally replace C one day. People are already making games and servers out of Rust. I think that's huge and definitely worthy of further funding and research of all sorts; People are using this technology whether you like it or not! Did you get it this time? Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you felt abused for having a differing opinion on a forum somewhere. I understand how emotionally compromising it must be to have your opinions challenged! Hopefully people will treat you with great respect in the future and use C forever.
- sifoo 9y ago
  No, that's my point; there are thousands of very experienced and dedicated coders out there who are not sick of it; because we've been around long enough to not blame our tools, and we have enough experience to appreciate its unique strengths. I'm all for simpler and more intuitive, but Rust is the opposite of that; it's rigid and complex if anything. Why does everything have to be a competition? Why can't several technologies be allowed to coexist? This is not about having your opinions challenged, you need to work on your reading comprehension; this is about not attacking others for expressing different preferences from your own.
  - master-litty 9y ago
    I would alternatively suggest you improve your conveyance of thoughts. It's clear now you have a rationalized and objective view of the situation, but it took us three or four replies to understand your underlying reasoning. When you start a comment chain by needlessly bashing the users of technology X, and don't really support your opinion of them with anything factual, what are you hoping we read there? It feels like you want us to read between the lines and assume you have a better reason to bash them; That's mindreading, and unfortunately something none of us can do. I think many Rust advocates, myself included, tend to foresee an eventual obsoletion of C because of theoretical overlapping purpose. We see Rust providing certain development luxuries without the usual heavy performance decrease accompanying them. While we can't say for sure, we think a majority of people will prefer having those luxuries in the future. The most compelling thought for me is: In a world where Rust had more complete libraries, and most developers knew Rust instead of C, is there an incentive to learn and use C for new projects? It's a complete matter of opinion but I think it's the reason most rustaceans "hound" on C devs. I don't think there would be such an incentive. I find them equally complex in their own ways, but also find more benefits with Rust versus C.
dang 9y ago
> Have you been living under a rock lately, or are you just pulling the oldest trick in the psychopath book This is so far outside what's acceptable on HN that I've banned this account. Would you please not create accounts to break the site guidelines with? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by sifoo 9y ago

master-litty 9y ago

C is fundamental and important now, but are you really not sick of it? Don't you wish we had a language that made it easier and more intuitive to program? Because many of us do. I'm personally rather tired of the boilerplate and legacy issues that come up when writing C -- Seriously, some of them being as simple as writing identical function signatures in multiple files. It works but we live in a time where we can move on. We don't have to be discontent with an old technology. We have the momentum and community to, who knows, maybe even totally replace C one day. People are already making games and servers out of Rust. I think that's huge and definitely worthy of further funding and research of all sorts; People are using this technology whether you like it or not! Did you get it this time? Anyway, I'm sorry to hear you felt abused for having a differing opinion on a forum somewhere. I understand how emotionally compromising it must be to have your opinions challenged! Hopefully people will treat you with great respect in the future and use C forever.

sifoo 9y ago
No, that's my point; there are thousands of very experienced and dedicated coders out there who are not sick of it; because we've been around long enough to not blame our tools, and we have enough experience to appreciate its unique strengths. I'm all for simpler and more intuitive, but Rust is the opposite of that; it's rigid and complex if anything. Why does everything have to be a competition? Why can't several technologies be allowed to coexist? This is not about having your opinions challenged, you need to work on your reading comprehension; this is about not attacking others for expressing different preferences from your own.
- master-litty 9y ago
  I would alternatively suggest you improve your conveyance of thoughts. It's clear now you have a rationalized and objective view of the situation, but it took us three or four replies to understand your underlying reasoning. When you start a comment chain by needlessly bashing the users of technology X, and don't really support your opinion of them with anything factual, what are you hoping we read there? It feels like you want us to read between the lines and assume you have a better reason to bash them; That's mindreading, and unfortunately something none of us can do. I think many Rust advocates, myself included, tend to foresee an eventual obsoletion of C because of theoretical overlapping purpose. We see Rust providing certain development luxuries without the usual heavy performance decrease accompanying them. While we can't say for sure, we think a majority of people will prefer having those luxuries in the future. The most compelling thought for me is: In a world where Rust had more complete libraries, and most developers knew Rust instead of C, is there an incentive to learn and use C for new projects? It's a complete matter of opinion but I think it's the reason most rustaceans "hound" on C devs. I don't think there would be such an incentive. I find them equally complex in their own ways, but also find more benefits with Rust versus C.

dang 9y ago

> Have you been living under a rock lately, or are you just pulling the oldest trick in the psychopath book This is so far outside what's acceptable on HN that I've banned this account. Would you please not create accounts to break the site guidelines with? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html