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a neutral question (honest question): Isen't the best part of a race show the sounds? I honestly don't know how a race sounds with electric cars but I imagine i

a neutral question (honest question): Isen't the best part of a race show the sounds? I honestly don't know how a race sounds with electric cars but I imagine it to be quite different.

paublyrne 9y ago
Yes. I think that has been a complaint about recent F1 seasons. Even non electric cars make much less real engine noise than the past which is why modern road cars synthesize and augment the engine sound. I don't know if this would be more ridiculous on a pure electric.
pedrocr 9y ago
No need to imagine Formula E has been going on for a few seasons now. The engine sounds are gone and you can now hear tire and braking sounds. It's different and interesting in its own right.
billfruit 9y ago
But on the other hand electric vehicles can have phenomenal acceleration and braking capabilities, and that would perhaps make races more frenetic.
- dogma1138 9y ago
  Phenomenal breaking? On a Tesla? Have you driven one on a track? The breaks that come with it are utter garbage compared to its weight class.
  - billfruit 9y ago
    While I haven't driven a Tesla, does not the regenerative braking in Electric cars offer more accurate torque control during braking?
    - dogma1138 9y ago
      No, not on a Tesla it can go fast in a straight line until you hit the power limit and your battery overheats but taking a corner in a Tesla at track speeds is well good luck the handling and breaking on a Tesla isn’t anywhere near any sport car or a luxury car of a similar price. A Tesla weighs about 50-75% more than a BMW M3/Alpina or a Maclaren 650 and the suspension, breaking and handling on those is much much better.
    - mantas 9y ago
      Feel free to correct me since I'm not that familiar with Tesla, regenerative braking is more like engine braking rather than "pedal" braking. As in, while you coast, there's negative torque against driving axle which charges battery. It's rather useless in racing situation. You want 4-wheel braking then, this may throw off your balance. I believe regenerative braking is not very effective when compared to full-blown racing brakes as well. It's great when you're stopping at traffic light from far away, but not when you brake hard. On top of that, this is not limited to electric cars. Some regular cars have it too. For example non-e Golfs got it.
      - dogma1138 9y ago
        Formula cars use regenerative breaking that isn’t an issue. The problem with the Tesla is that the suspension, steering, breaks etc. aren’t exactly sport class and that it weighs more than a Ford F-150 pickup.....
        mantas 9y ago
        Good point. I was thinking regular street class regenerative braking might be an issue in sports. It'd be interesting to see if F1 is doing anything to compensate harder braking on rear axle. After all, front brakes do need more power. Otherwise rear wheels are easy to lock out. ABS would kick in reducing regenerative braking. I guess they'd need much stronger front brakes and have regenerative braking kick in progressively with how the brake pedal is applied? Of course, they could do 4-wheel regenerative braking even with one driving axle.. But that'd be another can of worms. I'd love to read full paper [0]. Looks like they're looking into this exact problem. [0] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4077342/?tp=&arnumber=4077342&contentType=Conference%20Publications&sortType%3Dasc_p_Sequence%26filter%3DAND(p_IS_Number:4077322) http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4077342/?tp=&arnumber=40...
cjsuk 9y ago
You can make your own sounds if you want :)
pipio21 9y ago
Not for me. I have a Tesla and I love it being silent most of the time(it is only dangerous and you have to be careful around schools and urban areas in general). I feel the thermal engine motor noises so wasteful and disgusting. Going to wild nature and watching all animals flee because of stupid kids with their quads making unnecessary noise over 100 decibels makes me desire to punch those guys in the face. The only time I went to F1 when I was a kid the sound was so high that you could feel it even with your hands on your ears. I found it painful and tacky. I am engineer myself, and I see all this sound as waste energy that does not go to move the car. Barking dog never bites. All talk, no action.
j3097736 9y ago
But modern ones sound all the same

a neutral question (honest question): Isen't the best part of a race show the sounds? I honestly don't know how a race sounds with electric cars but I imagine it to be quite different.

paublyrne 9y ago

Yes. I think that has been a complaint about recent F1 seasons. Even non electric cars make much less real engine noise than the past which is why modern road cars synthesize and augment the engine sound. I don't know if this would be more ridiculous on a pure electric.

pedrocr 9y ago

No need to imagine Formula E has been going on for a few seasons now. The engine sounds are gone and you can now hear tire and braking sounds. It's different and interesting in its own right.

billfruit 9y ago

But on the other hand electric vehicles can have phenomenal acceleration and braking capabilities, and that would perhaps make races more frenetic.

dogma1138 9y ago
Phenomenal breaking? On a Tesla? Have you driven one on a track? The breaks that come with it are utter garbage compared to its weight class.
- billfruit 9y ago
  While I haven't driven a Tesla, does not the regenerative braking in Electric cars offer more accurate torque control during braking?
  - dogma1138 9y ago
    No, not on a Tesla it can go fast in a straight line until you hit the power limit and your battery overheats but taking a corner in a Tesla at track speeds is well good luck the handling and breaking on a Tesla isn’t anywhere near any sport car or a luxury car of a similar price. A Tesla weighs about 50-75% more than a BMW M3/Alpina or a Maclaren 650 and the suspension, breaking and handling on those is much much better.
  - mantas 9y ago
    Feel free to correct me since I'm not that familiar with Tesla, regenerative braking is more like engine braking rather than "pedal" braking. As in, while you coast, there's negative torque against driving axle which charges battery. It's rather useless in racing situation. You want 4-wheel braking then, this may throw off your balance. I believe regenerative braking is not very effective when compared to full-blown racing brakes as well. It's great when you're stopping at traffic light from far away, but not when you brake hard. On top of that, this is not limited to electric cars. Some regular cars have it too. For example non-e Golfs got it.
    - dogma1138 9y ago
      Formula cars use regenerative breaking that isn’t an issue. The problem with the Tesla is that the suspension, steering, breaks etc. aren’t exactly sport class and that it weighs more than a Ford F-150 pickup.....
      - mantas 9y ago
        Good point. I was thinking regular street class regenerative braking might be an issue in sports. It'd be interesting to see if F1 is doing anything to compensate harder braking on rear axle. After all, front brakes do need more power. Otherwise rear wheels are easy to lock out. ABS would kick in reducing regenerative braking. I guess they'd need much stronger front brakes and have regenerative braking kick in progressively with how the brake pedal is applied? Of course, they could do 4-wheel regenerative braking even with one driving axle.. But that'd be another can of worms. I'd love to read full paper [0]. Looks like they're looking into this exact problem. [0] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4077342/?tp=&arnumber=4077342&contentType=Conference%20Publications&sortType%3Dasc_p_Sequence%26filter%3DAND(p_IS_Number:4077322) http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/4077342/?tp=&arnumber=40...

cjsuk 9y ago

You can make your own sounds if you want :)

pipio21 9y ago

Not for me. I have a Tesla and I love it being silent most of the time(it is only dangerous and you have to be careful around schools and urban areas in general). I feel the thermal engine motor noises so wasteful and disgusting. Going to wild nature and watching all animals flee because of stupid kids with their quads making unnecessary noise over 100 decibels makes me desire to punch those guys in the face. The only time I went to F1 when I was a kid the sound was so high that you could feel it even with your hands on your ears. I found it painful and tacky. I am engineer myself, and I see all this sound as waste energy that does not go to move the car. Barking dog never bites. All talk, no action.

j3097736 9y ago

But modern ones sound all the same