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There's lots of autopilot systems that smash into shit, sailboats are one of them, you can put your sailboat on autopilot and it's going to smash into stuff. S

by fleitz 9y ago

There's lots of autopilot systems that smash into shit, sailboats are one of them, you can put your sailboat on autopilot and it's going to smash into stuff. Samething with an airliner, autopilot will not avoid another aircraft.

jsjohnst 9y ago
> Samething with an airliner, autopilot will not avoid another aircraft. Wrong! There are autopilots which integrate TCAS into the autopilot (A380 among them). Source: http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2009/08/easa-certifies-new-autopilot-flight-director-tcas-mode-for-a380.html http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2009/08/eas...
- paulddraper 9y ago
  They exist. But collision avoidance is far from a necessary retirement. E.g. my father in law's private single engine. Autopilot is basically cruise control, but you know...for a pilot
  - manicdee 9y ago
    There’s Autothrottle, which is more like cruise control. Autopilot controls attitude aka steering. Tesla Autopilot is a combination of both steering and throttle control.
    - paulddraper 9y ago
      True. The point remains though...collision avoidance is not a requirement for autopilot in the context of planes (or boats)
      - jsjohnst 9y ago
        GP didn’t say “not a requirement”, the poster said “will not avoid”, which is factually incorrect.
        fleitz 9y ago
        It won’t. Autopilot doesn’t avoid stuff. TCAS sometimes will and it doesn’t matter if autopilot is on/off.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  TCAS in a plane is like Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) in a car. It's active 100% of the time in cars, not just when you're using super-cruise-control or other automation.
  - jsjohnst 9y ago
    Of course TCAS is always enabled while in flight and is technically unrelated to autopilot. That doesn’t negate the point that many Airbus planes will automatically follow RAs when on autopilot if that is enabled by the flight crew.
- fleitz 9y ago
  The existence of one that avoids some aircraft in some situations does not negate the fact that there are aircraft autopilot systems which do not. Also TCAS enabled autopilots will still smash into other planes. TCAS isn’t magic plane detection AI it’s a radio signal, you can turn it off and not all aircraft have it. Just Incase you were going to use the same logical fallacy just because an A380 has TCAS doesn’t mean all planes do. Also airbus planes have some automatic flight control systems that override pilot input, those systems have CAUSED planes to smash into stuff. So even on an aircraft autopilot / automatic controls still cause preventable accidents.
falcolas 9y ago
Airliners have Air Traffic Control to route them, removing all but the rarest of edge cases for "smashing into stuff".

by fleitz 9y ago

jsjohnst 9y ago

> Samething with an airliner, autopilot will not avoid another aircraft. Wrong! There are autopilots which integrate TCAS into the autopilot (A380 among them). Source: http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2009/08/easa-certifies-new-autopilot-flight-director-tcas-mode-for-a380.html http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2009/08/eas...

paulddraper 9y ago
They exist. But collision avoidance is far from a necessary retirement. E.g. my father in law's private single engine. Autopilot is basically cruise control, but you know...for a pilot
- manicdee 9y ago
  There’s Autothrottle, which is more like cruise control. Autopilot controls attitude aka steering. Tesla Autopilot is a combination of both steering and throttle control.
  - paulddraper 9y ago
    True. The point remains though...collision avoidance is not a requirement for autopilot in the context of planes (or boats)
    - jsjohnst 9y ago
      GP didn’t say “not a requirement”, the poster said “will not avoid”, which is factually incorrect.
      - fleitz 9y ago
        It won’t. Autopilot doesn’t avoid stuff. TCAS sometimes will and it doesn’t matter if autopilot is on/off.
greglindahl 9y ago
TCAS in a plane is like Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB) in a car. It's active 100% of the time in cars, not just when you're using super-cruise-control or other automation.
- jsjohnst 9y ago
  Of course TCAS is always enabled while in flight and is technically unrelated to autopilot. That doesn’t negate the point that many Airbus planes will automatically follow RAs when on autopilot if that is enabled by the flight crew.
fleitz 9y ago
The existence of one that avoids some aircraft in some situations does not negate the fact that there are aircraft autopilot systems which do not. Also TCAS enabled autopilots will still smash into other planes. TCAS isn’t magic plane detection AI it’s a radio signal, you can turn it off and not all aircraft have it. Just Incase you were going to use the same logical fallacy just because an A380 has TCAS doesn’t mean all planes do. Also airbus planes have some automatic flight control systems that override pilot input, those systems have CAUSED planes to smash into stuff. So even on an aircraft autopilot / automatic controls still cause preventable accidents.

falcolas 9y ago

Airliners have Air Traffic Control to route them, removing all but the rarest of edge cases for "smashing into stuff".