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> our social safety nets for the elderly will collapse. Not everyone agrees social safety nets are a good thing. Some of us think properly preparing ourselves

> our social safety nets for the elderly will collapse. Not everyone agrees social safety nets are a good thing. Some of us think properly preparing ourselves for retirement is more important. > population decline is going to be the problem of the 21st century We have too many people already. Population decline due to reduced birthrate sounds like a solution, not a problem.

Robotbeat 9y ago
> Not everyone agrees social safety nets are a good thing. Some of us think properly preparing ourselves for retirement is more important. I think you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if the State or the Individual is paying for it. Ultimately, services and care provided during retirement is provided by the young and healthy. If there aren't any young people, then no one will be available to provide care no matter who is trying to pay for it.
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  - yesenadam 9y ago
    Not sure if you're serious. So if you believe that, why haven't you already killed yourself? That would be the best you could do, right? Unless you have some plan to 'take out' others besides you. But I can't believe you really believe that.
    - diyseguy 9y ago
      Some people don't want to have children - this will of course lead to the entire human race shrivelling up into a crisp and going extinct! Reductio-ad-absurdum for the Lose!
      - Robotbeat 9y ago
        You're right. The future belongs to the descendants of those who have children. But you're attacking a strawman by ignoring what he's actually replying to.
    - coderjames 9y ago
      > That would be the best you could do, right? No, the best I can do is continue living and convince as many people as possible to not have children. If I kill myself now, many more people might be created than if I die later. Natural reduction in population without resorting to violence is entirely possible. Open your mind to ideas that don't involve killing anyone.
  - Robotbeat 9y ago
    I hope no one listens to such misanthropic suggestions. But at least you're being honest with the implications of your philosophy.

Robotbeat 9y ago

> Not everyone agrees social safety nets are a good thing. Some of us think properly preparing ourselves for retirement is more important. I think you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if the State or the Individual is paying for it. Ultimately, services and care provided during retirement is provided by the young and healthy. If there aren't any young people, then no one will be available to provide care no matter who is trying to pay for it.

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- yesenadam 9y ago
  Not sure if you're serious. So if you believe that, why haven't you already killed yourself? That would be the best you could do, right? Unless you have some plan to 'take out' others besides you. But I can't believe you really believe that.
  - diyseguy 9y ago
    Some people don't want to have children - this will of course lead to the entire human race shrivelling up into a crisp and going extinct! Reductio-ad-absurdum for the Lose!
    - Robotbeat 9y ago
      You're right. The future belongs to the descendants of those who have children. But you're attacking a strawman by ignoring what he's actually replying to.
  - coderjames 9y ago
    > That would be the best you could do, right? No, the best I can do is continue living and convince as many people as possible to not have children. If I kill myself now, many more people might be created than if I die later. Natural reduction in population without resorting to violence is entirely possible. Open your mind to ideas that don't involve killing anyone.
- Robotbeat 9y ago
  I hope no one listens to such misanthropic suggestions. But at least you're being honest with the implications of your philosophy.