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> graffiti and vandalism on bus stops by sandblasting motifs into the glass: http://trimet.org/publicart/busshelters.htm http://trimet.org/publicart/busshelters
by w00pla 16y ago
> graffiti and vandalism on bus stops by sandblasting motifs into the glass: http://trimet.org/publicart/busshelters.htm http://trimet.org/publicart/busshelters.htm
That addresses the consequences of a problem and not the root causes. It is important to stop the cause of petty vandalism.
I can take a bet that if most countries had corporal punishment and applied it readily and liberally to vandalism cases, both vandalism and other offenses would be stopped.
In the west people continue to do crimes (and let off) until they do a major crime (when it is too late to change entrenched behaviour).
- b-man 16y agoI can take a bet that if most countries had corporal punishment and applied it readily and liberally to vandalism cases, both vandalism and other offenses would be stopped. [citation needed]
- eitland 16y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Singapore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Singapore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore
- b-man 16y agoThe thing about references is that they should demonstrate or negate the connection or affirmation that was presented. I fail to see that in these links. I think a more appropriate set of citations would be: basic research http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking_menu.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/spanking_menu.htm against corporal punishment as an educative method http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/corporal- http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/corporal- punishment.aspx http://www.nospank.net/vcb.htm http://www.nospank.net/vcb.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin4.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin4.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin29.htm http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin29.htm for corporal punishment as an educative method http://www.corpun.com/ukju9803.htm http://www.corpun.com/ukju9803.htm http://www.corpun.com/10archive/ukd01001.htm#21929 http://www.corpun.com/10archive/ukd01001.htm#21929 I personally find a lack of serious psychological research that finds correlation between corporal punishment and increase of quality of life in the society where it is practiced. That observation makes me believe that this practice should be abolished, or severely restricted at least.
- w00pla 16y agoFirstly, a lot of studies (esp. in the USA) shows that corporal punishment have negative outcomes. This is because they do not control for other variables (such as socio-economic circumstances). Poorer parents often hit their kids more (and many studies do make a distinction between parental abuse and responsible punishment). This is the same as the “powerlines causes cancer” research (people living near powerlines tend to be poorer and more prone to cancer). And powerlines is not even an ideological viewpoint! The problem is that I can give you a slew of papers saying that “corporal punishment has no detrimental effects” and you can give me another slew saying it has detrimental effects. Such internet discussions will not go anywhere (the same as with the death penalty or gun rights). Perhaps I was wrong to bring this up in YCNews (since this is not the forum for such debates). In any case, in the country of Singapore they have less crime and fewer problems that 99% of Western countries. Yet they have very strict laws (including corporal and capital punishment for drug offences). EDIT: The original point I wanted to make was this: In the USA, tough punishment only comes after the criminal has firmly established his bad behaviour. Any pet owner knows that at that stage it is the most difficult to change set behaviour. You have silly things such as three strikes laws. Why? The third time that behaviour is fixed. If that same person were punished severely for his first crime (however minor) he would think twice about breaking the law. That is how it works in Singapore - the first crime is punished hard, and the behaviour doesn't re-occur.
- rdtsc 16y ago> capital punishment for drug offences ... > the first crime is punished hard, and the behaviour doesn't re-occur. Of course it "doesn't re-occur" -- the person is already dead the second time around ;-)
- barrkel 16y agoComing up with a single example of correlation without demonstrating causation is an insult to readers, IMO.
- speleding 16y agoIn Singapore you also have a very high chance of getting caught. The change of getting caught is a much better prediction for crime than the severity of punishment.
- abraham 16y agoCorporal punishment addresses the consequences of problems instead of the causes as well.