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I... don't really see the problem with this?

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ballenf 9y ago
Replacing "undocumented immigrant" with "jew" or "same-sex couple" or "interracial couple" or "movie torrent pirate"... surely one of those substitutions triggers a reaction in even the most law-and-order out there. edit: And most of those categories have been illegal in some states in the US's history.
- aceoflala 9y ago
  Are jews illegal per se? Are illegal immigrants illegal per se?
  - Cyberdog 9y ago
    > Are illegal immigrants illegal per se? Sure. So how do we determine who is an illegal immigrant? By looking at an illegally-obtained list of names and picking out the Hispanic ones for background checks?
    - stillhere 9y ago
      > So how do we determine who is an illegal immigrant? Good question. It must be hard for law enforcement to do this considering the laws protecting probable ones.
    - chrismeller 9y ago
      The majority of European (and other) countries require everyone staying at a hotel be reported, so it doesn’t become the hotel’s job to determine illegal vs legal, it just becomes a huge privacy issue for everyone because the government knows everywhere you stay.
  - klipt 9y ago
    In the context of Nazi Germany - the Nazis passed laws to strip Jews of German citizenship, so technically Jews were illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Reich_Citizenship_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Reich_Citizensh...
  - mikeash 9y ago
    People are never illegal. People perform acts which may or may not be illegal. “Illegal immigrant” is a dumb term. We don’t describe speeders as “illegal drivers.”
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    - ChemicalWarfare 9y ago
      >> We don’t describe speeders as “illegal drivers.” that's not apples to apples. "illegal driver" would be someone who is breaking the law by the very fact of them driving - ppl with no DLs for example. same with illegal immigrants - they are breaking the law by the very fact of being present in the country they are not permitted to be in.
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    - TrevorJ 9y ago
      Illegal refers to the immigration status, not the person.
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- AlgorithmicTime 9y ago
  Are any of those categories illegally in the US? No, they are not.
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Replacing "undocumented immigrant" with "jew" or "same-sex couple" or "interracial couple" or "movie torrent pirate"... surely one of those substitutions triggers a reaction in even the most law-and-order out there. edit: And most of those categories have been illegal in some states in the US's history.

aceoflala 9y ago
Are jews illegal per se? Are illegal immigrants illegal per se?
- Cyberdog 9y ago
  > Are illegal immigrants illegal per se? Sure. So how do we determine who is an illegal immigrant? By looking at an illegally-obtained list of names and picking out the Hispanic ones for background checks?
  - stillhere 9y ago
    > So how do we determine who is an illegal immigrant? Good question. It must be hard for law enforcement to do this considering the laws protecting probable ones.
  - chrismeller 9y ago
    The majority of European (and other) countries require everyone staying at a hotel be reported, so it doesn’t become the hotel’s job to determine illegal vs legal, it just becomes a huge privacy issue for everyone because the government knows everywhere you stay.
- klipt 9y ago
  In the context of Nazi Germany - the Nazis passed laws to strip Jews of German citizenship, so technically Jews were illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Reich_Citizenship_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Laws#Reich_Citizensh...
- mikeash 9y ago
  People are never illegal. People perform acts which may or may not be illegal. “Illegal immigrant” is a dumb term. We don’t describe speeders as “illegal drivers.”
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  - ChemicalWarfare 9y ago
    >> We don’t describe speeders as “illegal drivers.” that's not apples to apples. "illegal driver" would be someone who is breaking the law by the very fact of them driving - ppl with no DLs for example. same with illegal immigrants - they are breaking the law by the very fact of being present in the country they are not permitted to be in.
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  - TrevorJ 9y ago
    Illegal refers to the immigration status, not the person.
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AlgorithmicTime 9y ago
Are any of those categories illegally in the US? No, they are not.
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