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That is a kind offer and probably a good way to go, but I have a small objection: I think at the end of it, OP would be a zellyn-taught software engineer, not a

by eliah 9y ago

That is a kind offer and probably a good way to go, but I have a small objection: I think at the end of it, OP would be a zellyn-taught software engineer, not a self-taught software engineer.

bigkm 9y ago
In that line of thinking this askhn basically makes it impossible for op. Like going and buying a self-help book is getting help (thanks George C.)
user5994461 9y ago
Software engineers cannot be self taught, at least not in any of the countries where engineer means something.
- Waterluvian 9y ago
  Lower "e" engineer. In Canada, like many places, the title is protected. But in reality, it's not often necessary for software. A significant number of the roboticists where I work do not have an engineering degree.
  - user5994461 9y ago
    If the title is protected, it's not possible to be an engineer without having the degree. Anyway, the author was posting google requirements. More than 80% of google developers have a master or more.
    - aoeusnth1 9y ago
      Uh, that's not true at all - most Googlers don't have a masters. Do you have a source?
      - user5994461 9y ago
        I can't find the source again. Instead, here some numbers showing that 76% of ALL Google employees have a degree. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/this-tech-company-has-the-most-highly-educated-employees.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/this-tech-company-has-the-mo... The saying that one doesn't need a degree to get a tech job is nonsense. Do the test: Ask one guy working in one of the major tech company how many of his direct neighbors have a degree, most likely it's all of them.
        majewsky 9y ago
        > 76% of ALL Google employees have a degree. > The saying that one doesn't need a degree to get a tech job is nonsense. These statements directly contradict. 24% of ALL Google employees don't have a degree. > Ask one guy working in one of the major tech company how many of his direct neighbors have a degree I know that I was hired into my current role without having a CS degree at the time [1}, based solely on my open-source portfolio. [1] I now have a BSc in CS because I work part-time and attended university in parallel.
        user5994461 9y ago
        The statements don't contradict. Read the source, the other 24% are marked as "unknown" status, not as not having a degree. Furthermore, that's the statistics for the whole company. It's higher for tech jobs. It's higher for younger folks. It's higher in countries where degrees are affordable.
    - Waterluvian 9y ago
      My point is that it's possible to effectively be one without. It's not like people without the degree can't do all the things an engineer does. It just becomes troublesome when there's safety certifications and such required. There's definitely value, meaning, and importance in the engineering degree and certifications.
zellyn 9y ago
lol. Fair :-)

by eliah 9y ago

That is a kind offer and probably a good way to go, but I have a small objection: I think at the end of it, OP would be a zellyn-taught software engineer, not a self-taught software engineer.

bigkm 9y ago

In that line of thinking this askhn basically makes it impossible for op. Like going and buying a self-help book is getting help (thanks George C.)

user5994461 9y ago

Software engineers cannot be self taught, at least not in any of the countries where engineer means something.

Waterluvian 9y ago
Lower "e" engineer. In Canada, like many places, the title is protected. But in reality, it's not often necessary for software. A significant number of the roboticists where I work do not have an engineering degree.
- user5994461 9y ago
  If the title is protected, it's not possible to be an engineer without having the degree. Anyway, the author was posting google requirements. More than 80% of google developers have a master or more.
  - aoeusnth1 9y ago
    Uh, that's not true at all - most Googlers don't have a masters. Do you have a source?
    - user5994461 9y ago
      I can't find the source again. Instead, here some numbers showing that 76% of ALL Google employees have a degree. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/this-tech-company-has-the-most-highly-educated-employees.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/this-tech-company-has-the-mo... The saying that one doesn't need a degree to get a tech job is nonsense. Do the test: Ask one guy working in one of the major tech company how many of his direct neighbors have a degree, most likely it's all of them.
      - majewsky 9y ago
        > 76% of ALL Google employees have a degree. > The saying that one doesn't need a degree to get a tech job is nonsense. These statements directly contradict. 24% of ALL Google employees don't have a degree. > Ask one guy working in one of the major tech company how many of his direct neighbors have a degree I know that I was hired into my current role without having a CS degree at the time [1}, based solely on my open-source portfolio. [1] I now have a BSc in CS because I work part-time and attended university in parallel.
        user5994461 9y ago
        The statements don't contradict. Read the source, the other 24% are marked as "unknown" status, not as not having a degree. Furthermore, that's the statistics for the whole company. It's higher for tech jobs. It's higher for younger folks. It's higher in countries where degrees are affordable.
  - Waterluvian 9y ago
    My point is that it's possible to effectively be one without. It's not like people without the degree can't do all the things an engineer does. It just becomes troublesome when there's safety certifications and such required. There's definitely value, meaning, and importance in the engineering degree and certifications.

zellyn 9y ago

lol. Fair :-)