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> You're leaving out the part where A whips up a real mob and lynches somebody. Yeah because that hasn't happened, and if it did would be met with universal co

by librvf 9y ago

> You're leaving out the part where A whips up a real mob and lynches somebody. Yeah because that hasn't happened, and if it did would be met with universal condemnation and be up against full weight of law enforcement and the legal system. > And what do you think has a stronger chilling effect: the possibility of being fired or the possibility of being murdered? If the possibility of being fired for ideas is highly likely while the possibility of being murdered for ideas is essentially zero, then the possibility of being fired has a stronger chilling effect.

Avshalom 9y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Victims_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Victims_in_the_Unit...
- librvf 9y ago
  We're discussing the situation in present-day tech culture, mostly with regards to Silicon Valley and the Bay Area as compared to China.
  - Avshalom 9y ago
    The broad history of violent bigotry in the United States does not get magically forgotten by people just because they write code for a living. And that history and that present reality means that many things are not just abstract propositions but are direct threats.
    - librvf 9y ago
      > And that history and that present reality means that many things are not just abstract propositions but are direct threats. Historical context alone does not make a direct threat. A direct threat is a direct threat, and right now being accused of racism (no matter the truth of it) is far more scary than racism itself.
UncleEntity 9y ago
> Yeah because that hasn't happened, and if it did would be met with universal condemnation and be up against full weight of law enforcement and the legal system. True they haven't actually murdered anyone yet but The Twitter Mob (aka Antifa) has assaulted quite a few wrong-thinkers, or people they thought were wrong-thinkers, or people just walking to work minding their own business who may or may not have wrong-thunk in the past.

by librvf 9y ago

Avshalom 9y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Victims_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime#Victims_in_the_Unit...

librvf 9y ago
We're discussing the situation in present-day tech culture, mostly with regards to Silicon Valley and the Bay Area as compared to China.
- Avshalom 9y ago
  The broad history of violent bigotry in the United States does not get magically forgotten by people just because they write code for a living. And that history and that present reality means that many things are not just abstract propositions but are direct threats.
  - librvf 9y ago
    > And that history and that present reality means that many things are not just abstract propositions but are direct threats. Historical context alone does not make a direct threat. A direct threat is a direct threat, and right now being accused of racism (no matter the truth of it) is far more scary than racism itself.

UncleEntity 9y ago

> Yeah because that hasn't happened, and if it did would be met with universal condemnation and be up against full weight of law enforcement and the legal system. True they haven't actually murdered anyone yet but The Twitter Mob (aka Antifa) has assaulted quite a few wrong-thinkers, or people they thought were wrong-thinkers, or people just walking to work minding their own business who may or may not have wrong-thunk in the past.