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Having done my fair share of windows phone app development (8.0, 8.1, 10) I can confirm. Microsoft incentivized app development, and paid top game development c

Having done my fair share of windows phone app development (8.0, 8.1, 10) I can confirm. Microsoft incentivized app development, and paid top game development companies millions and gave them featured placements for their half-assed windows phone ports. And then as a regular joe you would actually put in the effort* to get things working well. Then you would watch these bug-plagued big name 3-star ports appear out of nowhere and usurp you on the top free lists and search results due to their favorable placements. And then you would move on to a fairer market, and when microsoft stopped paying them, the big app developers did too (not that they ever updated or fixed the bugs on windows phone releases.) * Difficult as windows phone was the only mobile platform not supporting openGL in hardware and the top sold windows phones were incredibly low spec.

pjmlp 9y ago
Give it a few more OS releases and Android will be the only one supporting GL.
- dc443 9y ago
  Would Apple really drop OpenGL? They are smarter than that... They could do it, though. They could.
  - ClassyJacket 9y ago
    They might not remove it any time soon, but they could easily never update it.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    They already re-wrote most all relevant graphics APIs including the macOS compositor to use Metal as backend. All major middleware engines already support Metal as well, and relevant companies like Adobe are using it as well. Even if they don't officially drop GL, they could just leave it on life support, similarly to Carbon APIs.
  - AndrewKemendo 9y ago
    They are definitely not helping. They promote SceneKit and Metal over all else. Granted Metal is WAY better than OpenGL
    - JopV 9y ago
      Microsoft does the exact same thing with DirectX on desktop. And neither Direct3D nor Metal have any real advantages over Vulkan. They exist for locking in developers.
      - pjmlp 9y ago
        Like Sony and Nintendo do on their consoles. Sony did bother to offer OpenGL ES 1.0 with Cg for shaders. Hardly anyone used it. Nintendo introduced Vulkan on Switch, while keeping their own API. Lets see how it will go. The advantages over Vulkan from both APIs are not being C based in 2017, great graphical debuggers, a full stack experience instead of tracking down libraries for math, fonts, textures, .... Game development culture is not about being all friends and sharing code, rather making the best money of IP and selling services, in particular porting code among gaming devices.

pjmlp 9y ago

Give it a few more OS releases and Android will be the only one supporting GL.

dc443 9y ago
Would Apple really drop OpenGL? They are smarter than that... They could do it, though. They could.
- ClassyJacket 9y ago
  They might not remove it any time soon, but they could easily never update it.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  They already re-wrote most all relevant graphics APIs including the macOS compositor to use Metal as backend. All major middleware engines already support Metal as well, and relevant companies like Adobe are using it as well. Even if they don't officially drop GL, they could just leave it on life support, similarly to Carbon APIs.
- AndrewKemendo 9y ago
  They are definitely not helping. They promote SceneKit and Metal over all else. Granted Metal is WAY better than OpenGL
  - JopV 9y ago
    Microsoft does the exact same thing with DirectX on desktop. And neither Direct3D nor Metal have any real advantages over Vulkan. They exist for locking in developers.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Like Sony and Nintendo do on their consoles. Sony did bother to offer OpenGL ES 1.0 with Cg for shaders. Hardly anyone used it. Nintendo introduced Vulkan on Switch, while keeping their own API. Lets see how it will go. The advantages over Vulkan from both APIs are not being C based in 2017, great graphical debuggers, a full stack experience instead of tracking down libraries for math, fonts, textures, .... Game development culture is not about being all friends and sharing code, rather making the best money of IP and selling services, in particular porting code among gaming devices.