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It would seem to me that the Federal Government is in charge of the border, and that until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable expect
by adventist 9y ago
It would seem to me that the Federal Government is in charge of the border, and that until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable expectation of the Bill of Rights. There are many things that need to get checked at the border. Maybe they could just have a judge there to stamp each request as it goes through.
- wallace_f 9y agoI have my whole life on my phone and laptop. Most of the details and particularly papers, as stated in the 4th, of my life are contained there. I also need my devices to function and keep up like a normal person in 2017, and to keep a job. So if I need to leave the country and come back, and must bring them, I just forfeited my expectation of privacy guaranteed by the bill of rights?
- dsp1234 9y agoI should no longer have any expectation of privacy The above poster suggests even worse. "until you are actually in the United States, you have no reasonable expectation of the Bill of Rights.". They suggest you have no constitutional rights outside of the US border. Forget your cell phone, this would imply that black bag operations are completely legal as long as the US citizen is outside of US borders at the time.
- b3lvedere 9y agoAbout time there is a system where you can make a super cool backup of your entire smartphone and laptop on a remote system, then completely wipe these devices and restore it when you are safe from the border officers. icloud total backup or something :) "Sure officer, i'll unlock my phone and my laptop. There's absolutely nothing on it."
- 794CD01 9y agoNo, it implies that they are not illegal, and I would agree. That doesn't necessarily mean they are legal - they are alegal since US law does not apply outside its borders. Just like there doesn't need to be a US law making it legal for you to hire a prostitute in the Netherlands or gamble in an Indian reservation. Admittedly, that argument is not very convincing for the US in particular so pretend we are talking about some other country that is not the self-appointed world police.
- maskedSlacker 9y agoEven the US government doesn't claim that US law does not apply outside the border; that is simply false. Case in point: having sex with a child outside the US is still a crime you can be prosecuted for under US law when you return.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> US law does not apply outside its borders. Except for laws which expressly include territorial limits (the phrase, “within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States” occurs as a limitation in several US criminal laws, for example) US laws absolutely do apply outisde of US borders.
- weberc2 9y agoI'm not a lawyer, but I would be shocked if you forfeit your rights every time you enter the country. If this were the law, we citizens of the US have a moral responsibility to change it.
- tonyztan 9y agoJust because it is the Federal government does not mean they can do whatever they want. The Bill of Rights limits government power, especially those of the Federal government.
- b3lvedere 9y agoBefore you and them both realize that fact, a lot of time (and maybe money) has been wasted.