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Coinhive – First Week Status Report
- fvisnjic 9y agoThank you for your report + thank you for all your hard work! We are at 1.24 G (with you) and counting!
- bsparker 9y agoInteresting. Is there way to subscribe to these?
- coship 9y agoI agree for compulsory user consent to mine however, this should be only compulsory for web owners having throttle greater than 0.5 for desktops and for all throttle rates for mobile devices. Anything less than 0.5 throttle on desktops should be allowed to run anonymously. My two cents! Great service indeed, and an alternate revenue stream for website owners.
- rastilin 9y agoAgreed. The whole point of mining is that it's a less obtrusive and less intrusive alternative to running ads. If you're going to show people a scary "opt-in" button from a separate page (which may be blocked anyway), it's easier to just ditch the idea and run ads instead. What if they say no? Do you just block them from reading your site? Users will disappear as no one wants yet another account they have to click through just to check a site out.
- kingvid 9y agoagreed! people opt-in Very small probability.
- user1667 9y agoAgreed. Most people doesn't even know what mining is and won't opt-in even if the cpu usage was only 5 or 10%. Ads doesn't ask the visitors to opt-in, why should it be any different with miners?
- filmlos 9y agoNice ... 5.99 G Let's see ;)
- jrmgx 9y agoHello there, jumping in the conversation as I am one of the early adopter. This is how I implemented it on my side project Thread Reader. See an example on: https://tttthreads.com/t/907445479826448385 https://tttthreads.com/t/907445479826448385 bottom of the page My implementation use 1 thread max with 35% of the CPU max. I've done it this way because it is what I'm ready to give as an user Also it does not start (and show a Paypal donate instead) if: - you are on a mobile device (tested with user agent) - you are on battery (tested with the browser.getBattery API) If the miner starts: you get an info box at the bottom of the page, with an user accessible explanation (should be understandable by anyone) and a STOP button (that stop it for 90 days) Also before using the miner I took some time to communicate about it, even if I did not get much user feedback (I use my project twitter account to do so) If you get the Paypal donate box it means that the script decided not to start the miner for some reason.
- grahamlyons1973 9y agoI'd really like to see you implement a tiered pricing system so that bigger users can pay a little less than the 30% currently. There is bound to be some competition springing up quickly and this would be the best way to keep people on board. Otherwise great service :)
- Beedybob 9y agoMalwarebytes is now blocking completely coin-hive.com
- AFNobody 9y agoYeah, I had that problem as well when I ran a two day test. I had ~2% of users report their antivirus blocked it as a Trojan and .6% tell me the site has been hacked. And that is running it on relatively benign settings. :/
- diegorbaquero 9y agoOne way to avoid blocking would be to self-host the js file and proxy the websocket, any plans for this?
- AFNobody 9y agoIt doesn't work. Multiple antivirus vendors flagged it when I tried that.
- diegorbaquero 9y agoThey block the js?
- AFNobody 9y agoCorrect, and notify the user the site is infected with a trojan with a scary warning screen. That second part being the bigger issue. The JS being blocked isn't the issue, the fact I have users contacting me claiming the site was hacked was the big issue.
- user1667 9y agoYou can check if the JS was loaded and display a modal asking the user to report a false positive in their anti-virus software. It's similar to what websites already do with adblocks.
- AFNobody 9y agoDo you understand what a customer service nightmare customers asking if their phones got hacked by your website is?
- filmlos 9y agoNot bad ;) ... http://prntscr.com/gojd92 http://prntscr.com/gojd92 ...
- superg 9y agoVery good. Could you share some analyticts of your site? How many daily visitors? Average session time? It would be very interesting to know...
- maxman12 9y agoclickbank did something you can learn from. they require all their vendors to have a script that shows a mini image 'powerd by clickbank SSL' ...comodo SSL does the same thing to notify web visitors of SSL being used... you can do the same to have the JS file show a little thing in the corner to say 'this site has no ads and is supported by coinhive browser mining'
- maxman12 9y agohow can I invest in coinhive? this is gonna be big!
- devnull43 9y agohi guys, currently i am testing the coin-hive xmr miner on our video hosting called www.rapidvideo.com , but we have a opt-in window to ask the vistors for permission or not. The example is seen here: https://www.rapidvideo.com/e/FH8C3B1JK7 https://www.rapidvideo.com/e/FH8C3B1JK7 The goal was to find out the percentage, if the normal users accept it running or not, because I was asked to do the test. Right now, we just started it and right now, its at circa 95% users clicking no, but the acceptance is slowly increasing in long term. For most users, they rather want to see popups than lending some CPU cycles for us. The main issue is that the antivirus software is blocking this kind of software and some users will get the wrong idea, that it is false-oostive.
- killateam 9y agoDO NOT MAKE THIS OPT IN !!!!!!!!!
- TandPio 9y agoI think it is a great idea. I am using it to try and create a charity. Though everyone who looks at it seems to think it could be a scam. Crypto just has a bad rep. Check it out if you want www.thoughtsandprayers.io
- cirko 9y agoCoinhive Miner Payments are sent anytime your pending payouts hit this limit 1301843200 Shares. Min 0.2 XMR(~$17). http://brominer.com/ http://brominer.com/
- kingvid 9y agoI strongly recommend that we have another solution, not mandatory, requiring the user to explicitly opt-in to run coin-mine. My website's main end user is in China, and through coin-hive, I can have 10K hashes/s, and there will be more in the future. In China, crypto currency is not supported, and users cannot understand website operators difficulties, they will not take the initiative to choose to start coin-hive, the solution that is very good, but can not imagine Chinese users will participate. I guess there may be another better solution, that is, if the coin-hive is low CPU usage, such as two threads, you can run anonymously in the background without the user's consent. If it is a higher CPU usage, it will require user approval to run. Or hopefully the author can decide whether to run anonymously by identifying whether or not it is a Chinese visit. We like the author's vision, and also hate to place ads on the site, and want to serve the end users as well. But it doesn't work in china. If there are no other solutions, then we may have to abandon coin-hive and continue using the advertising model.
- katopz 9y agoCan I expected pure nodejs version? or maybe pool url for mining from server?
- only15charlong 9y agoI am one of such owners who did not disclose mining activities on my website and I am encouraged yet concerned at the opinions of the developers over what one does with coin-hive. It is always good to have an opinionated, and impassioned developer. But if it leads to coin-hive dictating the way a website chooses to operate, it becomes not much different from the way Adsense dictates the way you have to display its ads. This is the quote in question: "we have to be respectful to our end users". I am your end user. My visitors are my end user. Please do not jump the gun. That said, the topic of whether disclosure is respectful, or legal, or legal until the law has caught up with it is a slippery slope with many valid yet conflicting parts. - When a visitor visits a website, is there an implicit agreement to expend resources to load all of the website? - If so, is ad block breaking the implicit agreement? - Why do people often use cookies as an example of why it should be disclosed, when the issue is a matter of privacy not the use of computer resources? - If it is computer resources, doesn't it fall under the first point above? Yet, there are many types of tracking tools besides cookies that are even more invasive and take up CPU, bandwidth and electricity like tracking cursor movements (session replay) that never gets disclosed either out in the wild. It may seem like the whole world is against undisclosed mining, but to a fish, an aquarium could be the whole world.
- snek 9y agoI want to start out by saying that I use coinhive on my own site. I think its important to notify the user that you are doing things without their explicit knowledge. Technically you are taking advantage of their system for your own monetary gain, and in fact they spend more generating that money than you receive from their efforts (by averaged data from comed's 2016 demographic census). "When a visitor visits a website, is there an implicit agreement to expend resources to load all of the website?" I don't think that mining cryptocurrency counts as part of "loading all of the website," and I would go so far as to call that extraneous. Cookies are actually not notified only for their privacy implications but for the fact that they store data on your device. As a user of any website, I am fine with coinhive running as long as I am aware of it. Checking the network waterfall to see if assets from coinhive were loaded is a bad experience to check if the page might be doing something more malicious. All in all I think we end up where we began. Be kind to your users, since they are, of course, who you are catering your experience to.
- dheerajkumar 9y agoHow can I run this js on my web hosting?(without any visitor, I mean how to use web hosting's Cpu power to run the miner)
- jossieachees 9y agoHope that an updated version of speed Conception 1.Simplifies the JS configuration process(E.g speed control,CPU Thread control),Developers are free to design! Conception 2.Improve the mining speed,Optimize JS code!(E.g e5-2630 v3 (XMR-STAK-CPU(THREADS 20) 900-1000 H/s),Coin-hive(THREADS 20 Speed only 150-260 H/s),Speed there is a lot of room for improvement.I hope we strive forward!!!
- droowl 9y agoInteresting proof of concept. I know that a bunch of former PayPal employees are working on a related/similar product. They've been struggling with moral and legal matters lately.
- aaron2 9y agoHi everybody I really like this service and despite the developers made a great instruction I have as german and/or as noob difficulties to work with the codes. I want to modify the Captcha plugin and is someone ready to help me at this point? I'm Aaron and you can contact me under this email: harunturkaaron@gmail.com
- user1667 9y agoI also did not disclose the mining activities to my visitors and got 20kh/s and no one complained about the cpu usage. Forcing an opt-in won't work. Many users doesn't even know what mining is and won't agree with it. Most of the users doesn't take the time to read explanations either. Imagine what would happen if we ask the users to opt-in to see ads. If antivirus continues to block the miner, most websites will display a warning to the visitor requiring him to disable his antivirus just like they do with adblocks. Coin-hive already takes a large percentage (30%) and competition will arrive soon. Forcing an opt-in will just force us to seek another platform. You can require opt-in to use 100% of the users cpu or something close to it to prevent abuse, but never to small percentages such as 10 or 20%. You should focus on contacting those antivirus companies and explain to them that the miner is not a virus and it does not harm the visitor.
- mirror 9y agoI did not disclose usage as well. It's hard to start a moral conversation. Do we ask permission from users to display ads ? No ? Why a miner then. My throttle was at 0.5. Will discontinue due to antivirus/internet security software labeling the site as hacked/infected. But even if it was close to 100%, I don't think notifying them is important. Does Adobe inform users that photoshop or premiere will work at 100% when doing difficult tasks ? Hopefully a solution will be found.
- marxc88 9y agoHi , people . i am try coin hive , but i am one question? Anyone know how to transfer the earnings to paypal account?
- kerenpj 9y agoHi, i'm would like to know the way to adapt mining for mobile user. Now i have 15khs/s with 1 thread but i would like to change to 2 thread for desktop user and still 1 thread for mobile user . How to do?
- kerenpj 9y agoI try 0.5 throttle 4 thread it not work . Mobile user still use there 100% cpu
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- g-b-r 9y agoSolutions along these lines (though probably not centralized like this one) are interesting alteratives to ads, but if you want to make them acceptable to the end-users you HAVE to make them AT LEAST stoppable and configurable (by the end-users). Here are some negative effects of abusing the cpu without the user's consent that come to my mind: - the obvious, energy consumption (and thus money). In some cases it can be significant, and it will for sure be if these things become widespread - it can rev-up the fans, up to extremely annoying noise levels - on the many old devices that are unable to keep the temperatures down on high loads it can warm-up the device up to dangerous levels, high enough to: - make the device protection features shut it down - make the device catch fire, if there are no protection features or they don't work well enough - ruin some components of the device - in any case for sure reduce the lifetime of some components - it lowers battery life on battery-powered devices - it can easily interfere with the other activities of the user: a process using a lot of cpu time will easily reduce the performance of other parts of the system, even if the user were to lower its priorities - on the many browsers that don't allow constraining the resources allotted to individual tabs/servers/scripts it can interfere with the usage of the browser - even on the browsers that do support constraining the resources it will easily require some annoying work on the part of the user to investigate which tab/server/script is responsible So you _might_ activate them by default when (really) throttled to a low cpu usage amount, as others suggested, but if you do so you must make them easy to turn off or to configure to a lower usage. You should consider that an user might be concurrently visiting multiple sites that use this thing, so individual low cpu usages can add-up to a considerable amount. It might be better indeed to have a means to configure all instances of the script from a single place; I know, hard to do probably. But really, at least until/if these things become widespread, well understood and standardized (possibly with apis to let the browser control them automatically), it is much better to activate them only at the request of the user. How to push users to opt-in, without being obtrusive? Make a big button "DISABLE ADS", with a smaller writing under it "by switching to cryptomining". When the user clicks it, replace it with two buttons "Turn-off cryptomining - (by re-enabling ads)" and "Configure cryptomining". Someone might think that it would be unjust to let the users configure the amount of cryptomining, but in reality: - there are already unfairnesses in the facts that - users with more energy-hungry systems will pay more than others - users with more powerful systems will mine more and thus give more money to the sites and the others involved - it will always be possible to block them entirely with script-blockers or other means; that's the state of things and we should be glad that it's so: Internet would probably become a much less useful sh*t in the unlikely event that blockers became preventable; an unprofitable internet would most likely have still much more potential than one that supported forcing ads or scripts to the end-users.
- krampe 9y agoHey, cloudflare suspend now coinhive websites: https://torrentfreak.com/cloudflare-bans-sites-for-using-cryptocurrency-miners-171004/ https://torrentfreak.com/cloudflare-bans-sites-for-using-cry... very bad :/