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Pandas author on unsustainabilty of project, lack of funding

49 points by xamlhacker 9y ago

danjoc 9y ago
https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/909772652532953088 https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/9097726525329530... Well that certainly escalated quickly. The anger issues seem misplaced. Not a good way to solicit contributions.
- x0x0 9y ago
  Senior people at very wealthy companies whining that the software they take for free isn't up to their standards is a worse look.
  - danjoc 9y ago
    >software they take for free Software they were given. More cringe: https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/909854351694458880?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/9098543516944588... It sounds like Wes has given a gift and now expects something in return for it. r/niceguys anyone? https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/909777482383069184?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/9097774823830691... Berating your users publicly is not very becoming. I feel sorry for lebigot. He's really being mobbed now. Looking at the comments, it reminds me of a poor tourist lady I saw surrounded by San Francisco beggars. She gave one some change out of kindness. She was mobbed by four more, who became upset because she had nothing for them. I doubt she goes back to SF any time soon. Beggars everywhere. I doubt many quants will recommend improvements to Pandas any time soon. Beggars everywhere.
    - rkda 9y ago
      Who are the beggars? The quants who take but don't give back?
      - danjoc 9y ago
        https://mobile.twitter.com/mrocklin/status/909778228411236352?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/mrocklin/status/90977822841123635... https://mobile.twitter.com/wj_chicago/status/909901211855458304?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/wj_chicago/status/909901211855458... https://mobile.twitter.com/astrojuanlu/status/909776651231297536?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/astrojuanlu/status/90977665123129... Some examples.
myth_drannon 9y ago
Comes on the heels of StackOverflow blog post attributing meteotic rise of Python to Pandas. https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/09/14/python-growing-quickly/ https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/09/14/python-growing-quickly...
- danjoc 9y ago
  I read that as, "StackOverflow confirms: Pandas is poorly documented."
  - appleiigs 9y ago
    I read that as, "Pandas is poorly documented because of lack of funding". Django is the exact same way. 52% of it's $200K goal. And in a other thread, people wonder why the entertainment industry won't give their content out DRM free.
peatmoss 9y ago
I do worry about the tragedy of the commons with FOSS. Massive amounts of social benefits accrue when there are high quality libre tools out there. Outside universities and some rare corporate positions, it's hard to find instances where engineers can work full time on the highest value, but lowest compensated projects. Selfishly, I looks at things like a basic income as a means of getting to spend a year earning ramen money on valueable but non-economic projects.

49 points by xamlhacker 9y ago

https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/909772652532953088 https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/9097726525329530... Well that certainly escalated quickly. The anger issues seem misplaced. Not a good way to solicit contributions.

x0x0 9y ago
Senior people at very wealthy companies whining that the software they take for free isn't up to their standards is a worse look.
- danjoc 9y ago
  >software they take for free Software they were given. More cringe: https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/909854351694458880?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/9098543516944588... It sounds like Wes has given a gift and now expects something in return for it. r/niceguys anyone? https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/909777482383069184?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/wesmckinn/status/9097774823830691... Berating your users publicly is not very becoming. I feel sorry for lebigot. He's really being mobbed now. Looking at the comments, it reminds me of a poor tourist lady I saw surrounded by San Francisco beggars. She gave one some change out of kindness. She was mobbed by four more, who became upset because she had nothing for them. I doubt she goes back to SF any time soon. Beggars everywhere. I doubt many quants will recommend improvements to Pandas any time soon. Beggars everywhere.
  - rkda 9y ago
    Who are the beggars? The quants who take but don't give back?
    - danjoc 9y ago
      https://mobile.twitter.com/mrocklin/status/909778228411236352?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/mrocklin/status/90977822841123635... https://mobile.twitter.com/wj_chicago/status/909901211855458304?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/wj_chicago/status/909901211855458... https://mobile.twitter.com/astrojuanlu/status/909776651231297536?p=v https://mobile.twitter.com/astrojuanlu/status/90977665123129... Some examples.

myth_drannon 9y ago

Comes on the heels of StackOverflow blog post attributing meteotic rise of Python to Pandas. https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/09/14/python-growing-quickly/ https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/09/14/python-growing-quickly...

danjoc 9y ago
I read that as, "StackOverflow confirms: Pandas is poorly documented."
- appleiigs 9y ago
  I read that as, "Pandas is poorly documented because of lack of funding". Django is the exact same way. 52% of it's $200K goal. And in a other thread, people wonder why the entertainment industry won't give their content out DRM free.

peatmoss 9y ago

I do worry about the tragedy of the commons with FOSS. Massive amounts of social benefits accrue when there are high quality libre tools out there. Outside universities and some rare corporate positions, it's hard to find instances where engineers can work full time on the highest value, but lowest compensated projects. Selfishly, I looks at things like a basic income as a means of getting to spend a year earning ramen money on valueable but non-economic projects.