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IMO the reason Gab was created was because users kept getting banned / flagged on Twitter. So yes, the same standard applies.

stcredzero 9y ago
So yes, the same standard applies. So I won't be able to find hate speech, racist speech, and speech inciting violence on Facebook and Twitter?
- marcofatica 9y ago
  Only against white American men because apparently that's the only hate speech supported by those platforms.
- MacsHeadroom 9y ago
  You won't be able to find speech inciting credible threats of unconditional violence against specific individuals that won't be taken down after being reported, no. "Racist speech" doesn't necessarily meet the bar.
- ceejayoz 9y ago
  > So I won't be able to find hate speech, racist speech, and speech inciting violence on Facebook and Twitter? You'll be able to report it, and have a reasonable chance of action being taken on it.
- mikeryan 9y ago
  Google isn't saying it that content can't exist in an app - they're saying the app doesn't have a sufficient level of moderation for dealing with issues that do occur.
  - yellow_postit 9y ago
    What’s a sufficient level of moderation? I’m seriously asking. Would love to see some self reported and also verifiable stats from all the platforms being discussed here.
    - Suttonian 9y ago
      I'd also like to see verifiable stats. Anecdotally, when I tried Gab, the ratio of violent racist content to normal content was way way higher than on other platforms (even if the absolute amount is much higher on twitter due to popularity, the ratio is lower).
    - grb423 9y ago
      It seems like Google and the other progressive tech monopolies have grabbed a tiger by the tail. Maybe too late to let go without being eaten.
    - morgante 9y ago
      Any moderation would be a start. Gab's whole raison d'etre is to be an unmoderated social network where you can post the hate speech which would get you kicked off more mainstream networks.
djsumdog 9y ago
So it's just another platform. It happens to be a platform people flock to because they are 'no platformed' in another service. The big companies are really limiting speech. You can't have separate black/white bathrooms, in many places your business can't allow indoor smoking, you can't limit employment based on certain things if you want equal opportunity employer benefits, yet we have no protection for speech. Daily Stormer (which is honestly so crazy I couldn't tell if it was a parody) can't be hosted by any major or minor providers. No one will give them space to speak. When that many companies gets to control all the platforms, when Google can fire a guy for a well thought out opinion, they effectively censor dissenting idea. I'm not saying I like gab. It's seriously full of voat type users, but they should have a place where they can speak.
- nova22033 9y ago
  They can access gab on their phone from the browser.
  - DanAndersen 9y ago
    A webapp will inherently lack some optimizations that a native app could provide. Wouldn't this suggest some uncomfortable analogies with net neutrality "slow lanes"? Certainly not a one-to-one mapping, but there's enough similar shape to give me pause.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      > A webapp will inherently lack some optimizations that a native app could provide. Then let's not even bring Progressive WebApps into the mix...
- boona 9y ago
  > they should have a place where they can speak I agree completely. The alternative is that the bad ideas get hidden away, and not seeing the light of day, they begin to fester sort of like social rot. Or worst, people turn to violence. Free speech is not only about being heard, but about weeding out bad ideas. A great book on the subject is Kindly Inquisitors by Jonathan Rauch. He can explain the importance of free speech much gooderer than I ever could. :)
nariinano 9y ago
It's an alternative platform to Twitter, then. Does it mean Mastodon apps should be removed too?

stcredzero 9y ago

So yes, the same standard applies. So I won't be able to find hate speech, racist speech, and speech inciting violence on Facebook and Twitter?

marcofatica 9y ago
Only against white American men because apparently that's the only hate speech supported by those platforms.
MacsHeadroom 9y ago
You won't be able to find speech inciting credible threats of unconditional violence against specific individuals that won't be taken down after being reported, no. "Racist speech" doesn't necessarily meet the bar.
ceejayoz 9y ago
> So I won't be able to find hate speech, racist speech, and speech inciting violence on Facebook and Twitter? You'll be able to report it, and have a reasonable chance of action being taken on it.
mikeryan 9y ago
Google isn't saying it that content can't exist in an app - they're saying the app doesn't have a sufficient level of moderation for dealing with issues that do occur.
- yellow_postit 9y ago
  What’s a sufficient level of moderation? I’m seriously asking. Would love to see some self reported and also verifiable stats from all the platforms being discussed here.
  - Suttonian 9y ago
    I'd also like to see verifiable stats. Anecdotally, when I tried Gab, the ratio of violent racist content to normal content was way way higher than on other platforms (even if the absolute amount is much higher on twitter due to popularity, the ratio is lower).
  - grb423 9y ago
    It seems like Google and the other progressive tech monopolies have grabbed a tiger by the tail. Maybe too late to let go without being eaten.
  - morgante 9y ago
    Any moderation would be a start. Gab's whole raison d'etre is to be an unmoderated social network where you can post the hate speech which would get you kicked off more mainstream networks.

djsumdog 9y ago

So it's just another platform. It happens to be a platform people flock to because they are 'no platformed' in another service. The big companies are really limiting speech. You can't have separate black/white bathrooms, in many places your business can't allow indoor smoking, you can't limit employment based on certain things if you want equal opportunity employer benefits, yet we have no protection for speech. Daily Stormer (which is honestly so crazy I couldn't tell if it was a parody) can't be hosted by any major or minor providers. No one will give them space to speak. When that many companies gets to control all the platforms, when Google can fire a guy for a well thought out opinion, they effectively censor dissenting idea. I'm not saying I like gab. It's seriously full of voat type users, but they should have a place where they can speak.

nova22033 9y ago
They can access gab on their phone from the browser.
- DanAndersen 9y ago
  A webapp will inherently lack some optimizations that a native app could provide. Wouldn't this suggest some uncomfortable analogies with net neutrality "slow lanes"? Certainly not a one-to-one mapping, but there's enough similar shape to give me pause.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    > A webapp will inherently lack some optimizations that a native app could provide. Then let's not even bring Progressive WebApps into the mix...
boona 9y ago
> they should have a place where they can speak I agree completely. The alternative is that the bad ideas get hidden away, and not seeing the light of day, they begin to fester sort of like social rot. Or worst, people turn to violence. Free speech is not only about being heard, but about weeding out bad ideas. A great book on the subject is Kindly Inquisitors by Jonathan Rauch. He can explain the importance of free speech much gooderer than I ever could. :)

nariinano 9y ago

It's an alternative platform to Twitter, then. Does it mean Mastodon apps should be removed too?