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> I have asked every person who has turned me down what I could do better. I wouldn't say anything either. There's no upside. Why risk giving any kind of ammo

> I have asked every person who has turned me down what I could do better. I wouldn't say anything either. There's no upside. Why risk giving any kind of ammo to someone with a grievance they want to justify? She says she's a frontend developer and a nerd, so why is she pigeonholing herself in these "digital content coordinator/content marketer" fad jobs instead of moving up from PHP?

technion 9y ago
It's anecdata, and I'm sure it's regional, but around me, there's vastly more "digital content marketing" jobs than development jobs (front or backend, much to my chagrin).
numismatex 9y ago
That's because you, like most companies aren't interested in the ecosystems' growth except on your own terms. See a perceived grievance if you like, but the hiring practice is broken. Hiring is often run by HR personnel who have no idea what's going on. Anyone against the status quo is apparently someone with a grievance or chip on their shoulder, right? Nerds and marketing are fads. /s Companies think like idiots when do dating -- "oh, I don't have the feels". The fact that you see pigeonholing instead of addressing the matter at hand, and point away from how broken the accepted practices are says it all. Take the example of time -- companies think that their time is far more valuable than any candidate's. And you know what that does? It causes the candidates and other companies to suffer because the shitty HR personnel and the shitty companies (yes, you too) aren't investing in others and the future, and in some cases it really is a Boys Club Elitism. You know what companies stand out to candidates? Places where the Hiring Manager isn't talking to you for an hour because they're bored. When requests for followup and information are met. When declining a candidate means declining a candidate but keeping communication lines open rather than a canned e-mail with the words "keep your resume on file". You know, I've been working in various fields, mostly IT fields, since I turned 15 years old in 1996 and was hired for my first technical support job. I've worked in PC Repair, Systems Administration, Marketing, and more. And the latest generation of elitist fucktards makes me even more sick with their nonsense. You have borderline autistic programmers who can't deal with others socially. You have overentitled affluenza wastes of space running companies. You have elitist pricks who went to exclusive schools. And from the outside, from genius (literally) business professionals who have and can work a number of roles, the hiring process caters to some imaginary checklist that some literal idiot thought up years ago. I've heard the whole "well, with that attitude" line, and it never proves true to my next employer. HR and Hiring needs to be replaced with Artificial Intelligence that actually understands human beings rather than nepotism-hires, "I have 5 years in IT hiring"-hires, "I worked at Google"-hires, "I went to Stanford"-hires, "I've been in the industry ten years"-hires, "I'm a great programmer"-hires and every other variation under the sun that has a sheltered, condescending, often wrong, commonly-borderline-mentally-ill, self-deluded, "culture"-brainwashed tool of a "Recruiter", that goes based upon the human principle of "If they're attractive to me, they're a great fit.". The ecosystems that you continue to support are why social engineers do better than expert programmers in programming fields. They're why literal geniuses who were programming revolutionary usenet code and identifying vulnerabilities in Internet infrastructure are ignored. They're why literal geniuses who are so exceptional that the NSA comes and talks to them about their work aren't hired. They're why people who grew up chatting on IRC with the likes of Julian Assange and other now-famous and now-infamous Hackers and know your field better than anyone in your company because it grew up with them are turned away. After all, it's small-mindedness and selfishness. Obviously you're more interested in the bottom-line in your perception rather than even thinking about a solution for five minutes that turns a grievance into a growth opportunity for your business. And instead, while trying to sabotage or cast shadows on the topic at hand, you're why your decisionmaking, and the roles involved with hiring are going to die. Because you're costing the world, and your companies, and yourself more than you could ever imagine, every day. Go ahead and make excuses that there are more candidates, or what you're full up. Don't make solutions. Keep talking shit. Because that's where it comes from; your ass. Go ahead and hire the hot chick who uses the right resume and that by lottery decided to move to HTML5 and JVM projects on her own time. I'm sure that she'll last all of a year at your company due to the growth opportunities you offer externally reflecting internal attitudes as well. I mean, unless the hires drink with the bosses, or make great friends out of their managers under the guise of rapport-building, while turning a blind eye to how broken things are even under the guise of "Culture" and "Right Fits" all the while hiring soft-skills morons rather than those with potential for greatness. But you don't want great, you want what you want, because it, due to fallacy, "fits" some magical "Vision" in your head rather than being dissonant or disruptive. Take my last job -- the owner of the company acknowledged I, solely, increased our net income tenfold yet still demanded to be the only one involved in hiring my replacement. Take the job before that, I ended up having a confrontation with a manager because he'd never bothered to read my resume, accusing me of not paying attention to him during his marketing education rant meetings every morning -- while he'd worked at CVS as a manager as his only professional expertise two years previous and I'd co-founded a marketing company and completely built and run the digital marketing division from the ground up, and that company is still obtaining and retaining billion-dollars clients. Shortsighted assholes like you make me regret being involved in the corporate world in the first place -- because you being a douchebag is going to get you further in life than a brilliant, understanding person no matter how much your company preaches about "Culture" or Sergey Brin rants about EQ.
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technion 9y ago

It's anecdata, and I'm sure it's regional, but around me, there's vastly more "digital content marketing" jobs than development jobs (front or backend, much to my chagrin).

numismatex 9y ago

That's because you, like most companies aren't interested in the ecosystems' growth except on your own terms. See a perceived grievance if you like, but the hiring practice is broken. Hiring is often run by HR personnel who have no idea what's going on. Anyone against the status quo is apparently someone with a grievance or chip on their shoulder, right? Nerds and marketing are fads. /s Companies think like idiots when do dating -- "oh, I don't have the feels". The fact that you see pigeonholing instead of addressing the matter at hand, and point away from how broken the accepted practices are says it all. Take the example of time -- companies think that their time is far more valuable than any candidate's. And you know what that does? It causes the candidates and other companies to suffer because the shitty HR personnel and the shitty companies (yes, you too) aren't investing in others and the future, and in some cases it really is a Boys Club Elitism. You know what companies stand out to candidates? Places where the Hiring Manager isn't talking to you for an hour because they're bored. When requests for followup and information are met. When declining a candidate means declining a candidate but keeping communication lines open rather than a canned e-mail with the words "keep your resume on file". You know, I've been working in various fields, mostly IT fields, since I turned 15 years old in 1996 and was hired for my first technical support job. I've worked in PC Repair, Systems Administration, Marketing, and more. And the latest generation of elitist fucktards makes me even more sick with their nonsense. You have borderline autistic programmers who can't deal with others socially. You have overentitled affluenza wastes of space running companies. You have elitist pricks who went to exclusive schools. And from the outside, from genius (literally) business professionals who have and can work a number of roles, the hiring process caters to some imaginary checklist that some literal idiot thought up years ago. I've heard the whole "well, with that attitude" line, and it never proves true to my next employer. HR and Hiring needs to be replaced with Artificial Intelligence that actually understands human beings rather than nepotism-hires, "I have 5 years in IT hiring"-hires, "I worked at Google"-hires, "I went to Stanford"-hires, "I've been in the industry ten years"-hires, "I'm a great programmer"-hires and every other variation under the sun that has a sheltered, condescending, often wrong, commonly-borderline-mentally-ill, self-deluded, "culture"-brainwashed tool of a "Recruiter", that goes based upon the human principle of "If they're attractive to me, they're a great fit.". The ecosystems that you continue to support are why social engineers do better than expert programmers in programming fields. They're why literal geniuses who were programming revolutionary usenet code and identifying vulnerabilities in Internet infrastructure are ignored. They're why literal geniuses who are so exceptional that the NSA comes and talks to them about their work aren't hired. They're why people who grew up chatting on IRC with the likes of Julian Assange and other now-famous and now-infamous Hackers and know your field better than anyone in your company because it grew up with them are turned away. After all, it's small-mindedness and selfishness. Obviously you're more interested in the bottom-line in your perception rather than even thinking about a solution for five minutes that turns a grievance into a growth opportunity for your business. And instead, while trying to sabotage or cast shadows on the topic at hand, you're why your decisionmaking, and the roles involved with hiring are going to die. Because you're costing the world, and your companies, and yourself more than you could ever imagine, every day. Go ahead and make excuses that there are more candidates, or what you're full up. Don't make solutions. Keep talking shit. Because that's where it comes from; your ass. Go ahead and hire the hot chick who uses the right resume and that by lottery decided to move to HTML5 and JVM projects on her own time. I'm sure that she'll last all of a year at your company due to the growth opportunities you offer externally reflecting internal attitudes as well. I mean, unless the hires drink with the bosses, or make great friends out of their managers under the guise of rapport-building, while turning a blind eye to how broken things are even under the guise of "Culture" and "Right Fits" all the while hiring soft-skills morons rather than those with potential for greatness. But you don't want great, you want what you want, because it, due to fallacy, "fits" some magical "Vision" in your head rather than being dissonant or disruptive. Take my last job -- the owner of the company acknowledged I, solely, increased our net income tenfold yet still demanded to be the only one involved in hiring my replacement. Take the job before that, I ended up having a confrontation with a manager because he'd never bothered to read my resume, accusing me of not paying attention to him during his marketing education rant meetings every morning -- while he'd worked at CVS as a manager as his only professional expertise two years previous and I'd co-founded a marketing company and completely built and run the digital marketing division from the ground up, and that company is still obtaining and retaining billion-dollars clients. Shortsighted assholes like you make me regret being involved in the corporate world in the first place -- because you being a douchebag is going to get you further in life than a brilliant, understanding person no matter how much your company preaches about "Culture" or Sergey Brin rants about EQ.

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