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Free speech only protects you from government persecution. It doesn't control how owners of private property react. You are still going to get banned and moder

Free speech only protects you from government persecution. It doesn't control how owners of private property react. You are still going to get banned and moderated, it will just be a lot slower and a lot more expensive for you. And if you keep getting denied you should probably try and find out why people find you so toxic and repulsive.

AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
People? They are many who would be OK with what I have to say. The problem is the platform owners want full fairness when they talk (TCP/IP, the platform they use) but want full God powers when their platform is concerned (Social Media Sites, the platform I use). Do you see the hypocrisy of Google/Youtube/Facebook/Reddit/Twitter? If Comcast shouldn't decide what travels on their wires, then why should Google get to decide what the Youtube video says?
- devopsproject 9y ago
  > If Comcast shouldn't decide what travels on their wires, then why should Google get to decide what the Youtube video says? Comcast doesn't get to decide for the same reason the water company doesn't decide what I use my water for. And you are free to say what you want in my house but you'd be thrown out pretty quickly if I didn't like what you had to say. Your house is no different. And Google's house is no different too. This isn't a difficult concept
  - AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
    Google is not a private entity, it is a public corporation with share holders. We hold government with highest demands for equality, we hold private individuals and fully owned businesses with most freedom to discriminate. We hold public corporations somewhere in between. >Google's house Sure. Nobody cared when things were being said about Egypt's Mubarak. But say something that some Google executives don't like, you are out of there. Is there a difference between a private entity and a public corporation? If I run my own plumbing company, I can hire my son without putting up an ad in the paper. Should a Google executive be allowed to hire her husband without putting up an ad? We hold public companies at a higher standard that private individuals, correctly so. What if Mead stopped you from using their notebook to write down a thought that they don't agree with?
    - devopsproject 9y ago
      Using youtube is a privileged, not a right. Google can censor because its user's agree to it as part of their terms of service.
      - AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
        And Comcast will make their ability to slow down or speed up packets a part of their terms of service. done. Glad you agree that Comcast has that right, just like Google. NN doesn't matter if Google can pay God with paying customers, who pay each month for gsuite products, got their account cancelled because Google didn't like what they posted. I would take slow lane over that every day. Capitalism when I like it, socialism when I don't. That is hypocritical.
        devopsproject 9y ago
        You are advocating for changes to laws you don't want because you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of some very basic concepts. Comcast cannot do this now because there are rules and regs to stop them from doing so. Killing net neutrality will enable comcast to dictate traffic. If you don't want them to have that ability, you should be in favor of net neutrality. How are you this dense?
        AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
        Worrying about Comcast when Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire. I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book, and made many donations to EFF. But, NN is comparable to carpet stain, restricting opinions you don't like on a multi-billion-people platforms like YouTube/Twitter is comparable to house on fire. I would rather use NN being invalidated as a way to teach Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit a taste of their own medicine. I hope someone at Google and Facebook is measuring negative sentiment generated by their actions against speech that they don't like. Google is allowing ADL to tarnish their brand value. It is dropping like a rock. Google is doubling down on their Clinton campaign investment, they should cut losses and support pillar of American values, Freedom of Speech. The similarities to "Bernie" telling Democratic party to wise up are too strong here. We are telling Google, the company that I absolutely loved and believed in till two months ago, to wise up or they will lose the affection people had about them taking the company down with it. I can't believe I have stopped using Google search, but here I am. I am taking no action, no advocacy of NN this time around. Think of this as Bernie supporters telling DNC that Democrats do not represent them anymore. I will band together with the enemy, Ajit Pai, in this case, to make sure Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit pay some price for their censorship.

AmIFirstToThink 9y ago

People? They are many who would be OK with what I have to say. The problem is the platform owners want full fairness when they talk (TCP/IP, the platform they use) but want full God powers when their platform is concerned (Social Media Sites, the platform I use). Do you see the hypocrisy of Google/Youtube/Facebook/Reddit/Twitter? If Comcast shouldn't decide what travels on their wires, then why should Google get to decide what the Youtube video says?

devopsproject 9y ago
> If Comcast shouldn't decide what travels on their wires, then why should Google get to decide what the Youtube video says? Comcast doesn't get to decide for the same reason the water company doesn't decide what I use my water for. And you are free to say what you want in my house but you'd be thrown out pretty quickly if I didn't like what you had to say. Your house is no different. And Google's house is no different too. This isn't a difficult concept
- AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
  Google is not a private entity, it is a public corporation with share holders. We hold government with highest demands for equality, we hold private individuals and fully owned businesses with most freedom to discriminate. We hold public corporations somewhere in between. >Google's house Sure. Nobody cared when things were being said about Egypt's Mubarak. But say something that some Google executives don't like, you are out of there. Is there a difference between a private entity and a public corporation? If I run my own plumbing company, I can hire my son without putting up an ad in the paper. Should a Google executive be allowed to hire her husband without putting up an ad? We hold public companies at a higher standard that private individuals, correctly so. What if Mead stopped you from using their notebook to write down a thought that they don't agree with?
  - devopsproject 9y ago
    Using youtube is a privileged, not a right. Google can censor because its user's agree to it as part of their terms of service.
    - AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
      And Comcast will make their ability to slow down or speed up packets a part of their terms of service. done. Glad you agree that Comcast has that right, just like Google. NN doesn't matter if Google can pay God with paying customers, who pay each month for gsuite products, got their account cancelled because Google didn't like what they posted. I would take slow lane over that every day. Capitalism when I like it, socialism when I don't. That is hypocritical.
      - devopsproject 9y ago
        You are advocating for changes to laws you don't want because you have a very fundamental misunderstanding of some very basic concepts. Comcast cannot do this now because there are rules and regs to stop them from doing so. Killing net neutrality will enable comcast to dictate traffic. If you don't want them to have that ability, you should be in favor of net neutrality. How are you this dense?
        AmIFirstToThink 9y ago
        Worrying about Comcast when Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit are stifling speech with impunity is like worrying about stains on the carpet when house is on fire. I have written so much about NN that it could be a 200 page book, and made many donations to EFF. But, NN is comparable to carpet stain, restricting opinions you don't like on a multi-billion-people platforms like YouTube/Twitter is comparable to house on fire. I would rather use NN being invalidated as a way to teach Google/Twitter/Facebook/Reddit a taste of their own medicine. I hope someone at Google and Facebook is measuring negative sentiment generated by their actions against speech that they don't like. Google is allowing ADL to tarnish their brand value. It is dropping like a rock. Google is doubling down on their Clinton campaign investment, they should cut losses and support pillar of American values, Freedom of Speech. The similarities to "Bernie" telling Democratic party to wise up are too strong here. We are telling Google, the company that I absolutely loved and believed in till two months ago, to wise up or they will lose the affection people had about them taking the company down with it. I can't believe I have stopped using Google search, but here I am. I am taking no action, no advocacy of NN this time around. Think of this as Bernie supporters telling DNC that Democrats do not represent them anymore. I will band together with the enemy, Ajit Pai, in this case, to make sure Google/Facebook/Twitter/Reddit pay some price for their censorship.