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The site was closed for "sowing hate against different opinions and representatives of the country," I am shocked - shocked - that anti-hate animus would be us

The site was closed for "sowing hate against different opinions and representatives of the country," I am shocked - shocked - that anti-hate animus would be used this way!

mdekkers 9y ago
The mechanism for closing the site is what interests me. There are certain laws in place to prevent exactly this kind of thing from happening. Authorities worked around this by classifying the site as a "club" instead of a publication platform / news portal. The move is widely seen as a response to violent G20 protests. The way to deal with that should be to find and prosecute the violent offenders, not shutting down lawful websites.
- DarkKomunalec 9y ago
  Shutting down a club seems just as oppressive. And the definition of 'club' is blurry and stretchy, so it's not unexpected a law against 'clubs' would get abused.
- yAnonymous 9y ago
  Ironically, broad bans of anything right wing are exactly what the left have been asking for all these years. I told people it's going to be used against them one day. Shortsighted idiots.
  - mercurysmessage 9y ago
    People don't have a problem with 'anything' right wing, people have a problem with far right wing, and the views that come along with it. You know, nationalism, supremacy, xenophobia.
    - yAnonymous 9y ago
      Many leftist people have a problem with anything that is oriented right of their own political views - which is almost everything. I see this on a daily basis. They act like fascists themselves. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
      - mercurysmessage 9y ago
        Many, huh? This is exactly the problem we have now, statements and thoughts like that. Same as you mentioned 'Einzelfallmap'. It's creating the thought that refugees are violent. Very dangerous to assume entire groups are bad.
        yAnonymous 9y ago
        If collecting and republishing newspaper articles and police reports is against the law, we really are in trouble. It doesn't matter what conclusions people draw from this. There's simply nothing illegal about it.
        mercurysmessage 9y ago
        There is nothing illegal, it's just idiotic behavior. What's the point? Oh, not 100% of people that flee conflict are good people? Uh, congrats? There are bad people in every group, this should be common sense, and if you are working so hard to 'prove' that some refugees are bad, you are the bad person.
      - mschuster91 9y ago
        > Many leftist people have a problem with anything that is oriented right of their own political views - which is almost everything. The time for accepting racism, sexism and other intolerant views is over. We are in 2017, not in the Middle Ages any more. > They act like fascists themselves. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Spotted the alt-right.
        mikejb 9y ago
        > Spotted the alt-right. I think you told more about yourself than the person you tried to judge.
        yAnonymous 9y ago
        >The time for accepting different opinions is over. It's 2017. I'm really glad the people who call everyone racist who doesn't agree with them are now getting a taste of their own medicine. I should be fighting for their rights, too, but at this point... fuck it.
    - DarkKomunalec 9y ago
      Holding the interests of your own country above those of others is by definition nationalism, and almost any opposition to immigration is labelled xenophobia. They are, and have historically been, the policy for the vast majority of countries, and are advantageous positions for a population to have - is that all it takes to be far right?
      - mercurysmessage 9y ago
        The problem is that we don't live in the 1800s, we live in a global market, and consumers want the best products available. Additionally, these are people, why would we limit the movements of people? Immigrants help Countries they move to, they build the economy and workforce, and are the only reason why the US does not have an aging population as bad as Canada, Japan, and many other nations. Opposition to immigration is xenophobia. Historically, many things have been bad, and/or wrong. Mental Health treatment, treatment of the aboriginal people, food safety, environmental policy and protection. How is history any sort of an argument?
        DarkKomunalec 9y ago
        History was not the argument - it was to illustrate that what you consider far right has been and is common. > we live in a global market, Treating local businesses preferentially does not mean abolishing international trade. Just look at China, or US agricultural subsidies, or tariffs, or countless other examples. > Immigrants help Countries they move to Countries, perhaps, but what about the local people? Don't they compete for the same jobs, driving down wages? Vote and take advantage of common resources (drinking water, arable land, existing infrastructure, etc.), reducing the political and economic capital of the locals? Encourage policies for more immigration, instead of policies that would encourage parenthood? Won't immigrants look out for their own interests more than for those of the local population? Let me rephrase that last question - is racism real? > Immigrants [...] are the only reason why the US does not have an aging population It's a sick society indeed that can't even sustain its own population. And instead of improving itself, it makes up the shortfall with immigration. Do you really believe immigration is the only way to sustain population levels? Why can other countries manage without?
  - boyce 9y ago
    Using the Alanis Morisette definition here I guess
jlebrech 9y ago
good news finally coming from the left

The site was closed for "sowing hate against different opinions and representatives of the country," I am shocked - shocked - that anti-hate animus would be used this way!

mdekkers 9y ago

The mechanism for closing the site is what interests me. There are certain laws in place to prevent exactly this kind of thing from happening. Authorities worked around this by classifying the site as a "club" instead of a publication platform / news portal. The move is widely seen as a response to violent G20 protests. The way to deal with that should be to find and prosecute the violent offenders, not shutting down lawful websites.

DarkKomunalec 9y ago
Shutting down a club seems just as oppressive. And the definition of 'club' is blurry and stretchy, so it's not unexpected a law against 'clubs' would get abused.
yAnonymous 9y ago
Ironically, broad bans of anything right wing are exactly what the left have been asking for all these years. I told people it's going to be used against them one day. Shortsighted idiots.
- mercurysmessage 9y ago
  People don't have a problem with 'anything' right wing, people have a problem with far right wing, and the views that come along with it. You know, nationalism, supremacy, xenophobia.
  - yAnonymous 9y ago
    Many leftist people have a problem with anything that is oriented right of their own political views - which is almost everything. I see this on a daily basis. They act like fascists themselves. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
    - mercurysmessage 9y ago
      Many, huh? This is exactly the problem we have now, statements and thoughts like that. Same as you mentioned 'Einzelfallmap'. It's creating the thought that refugees are violent. Very dangerous to assume entire groups are bad.
      - yAnonymous 9y ago
        If collecting and republishing newspaper articles and police reports is against the law, we really are in trouble. It doesn't matter what conclusions people draw from this. There's simply nothing illegal about it.
        mercurysmessage 9y ago
        There is nothing illegal, it's just idiotic behavior. What's the point? Oh, not 100% of people that flee conflict are good people? Uh, congrats? There are bad people in every group, this should be common sense, and if you are working so hard to 'prove' that some refugees are bad, you are the bad person.
    - mschuster91 9y ago
      > Many leftist people have a problem with anything that is oriented right of their own political views - which is almost everything. The time for accepting racism, sexism and other intolerant views is over. We are in 2017, not in the Middle Ages any more. > They act like fascists themselves. Would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Spotted the alt-right.
      - mikejb 9y ago
        > Spotted the alt-right. I think you told more about yourself than the person you tried to judge.
      - yAnonymous 9y ago
        >The time for accepting different opinions is over. It's 2017. I'm really glad the people who call everyone racist who doesn't agree with them are now getting a taste of their own medicine. I should be fighting for their rights, too, but at this point... fuck it.
  - DarkKomunalec 9y ago
    Holding the interests of your own country above those of others is by definition nationalism, and almost any opposition to immigration is labelled xenophobia. They are, and have historically been, the policy for the vast majority of countries, and are advantageous positions for a population to have - is that all it takes to be far right?
    - mercurysmessage 9y ago
      The problem is that we don't live in the 1800s, we live in a global market, and consumers want the best products available. Additionally, these are people, why would we limit the movements of people? Immigrants help Countries they move to, they build the economy and workforce, and are the only reason why the US does not have an aging population as bad as Canada, Japan, and many other nations. Opposition to immigration is xenophobia. Historically, many things have been bad, and/or wrong. Mental Health treatment, treatment of the aboriginal people, food safety, environmental policy and protection. How is history any sort of an argument?
      - DarkKomunalec 9y ago
        History was not the argument - it was to illustrate that what you consider far right has been and is common. > we live in a global market, Treating local businesses preferentially does not mean abolishing international trade. Just look at China, or US agricultural subsidies, or tariffs, or countless other examples. > Immigrants help Countries they move to Countries, perhaps, but what about the local people? Don't they compete for the same jobs, driving down wages? Vote and take advantage of common resources (drinking water, arable land, existing infrastructure, etc.), reducing the political and economic capital of the locals? Encourage policies for more immigration, instead of policies that would encourage parenthood? Won't immigrants look out for their own interests more than for those of the local population? Let me rephrase that last question - is racism real? > Immigrants [...] are the only reason why the US does not have an aging population It's a sick society indeed that can't even sustain its own population. And instead of improving itself, it makes up the shortfall with immigration. Do you really believe immigration is the only way to sustain population levels? Why can other countries manage without?
- boyce 9y ago
  Using the Alanis Morisette definition here I guess

jlebrech 9y ago

good news finally coming from the left