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Porn has led the way on a number of technological innovations, I'm surprised there aren't more billionaire porn kings/queens. edit - modifiers are hard

by colbyh 9y ago

TaylorGood 9y ago
Surprised a porn related blockchain token hasn't taken ahold yet. There are attempts.
- deleted 9y ago
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- max_ 9y ago
  Ethereum Adult Cams, http://www.spankchain.com http://www.spankchain.com
  - volkk 9y ago
    Gotta say, I love the name
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stevenwoo 9y ago
IIRC almost all porn now comes from one company, Mindgeek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek It reads like the founder started the company in 2010 and sold it to the current owners in 2013. I've read that the actors/actresses don't make a lot (it's on a per scene basis) and have short careers and the money is mostly in distribution so with one large company any billionaires would probably be from there.
- meri_dian 9y ago
  >"In November 2013, it was reported that Pornhub has over 1 billion visitors per month, and a December 2014 article in Adweek states that Pornhub has 50 million daily visitors." 2017 numbers are probably much higher... Wow
  - userbinator 9y ago
    That's roughly 580 visitors per second. Wow indeed.
    - ge96 9y ago
      I'm doing my part, are you? Haha scene from Starship Troopers
    - imaginenore 9y ago
      That's on average. You can double-triple it for peak.
- alphonsegaston 9y ago
  Jon Ronson has a great new Audible podcast about how Mindgeek used the YouTube piracy model to make billions and destroy the livelihoods of sex workers in the porn industry: https://www.audible.com/pd/Radio-TV/The-Butterfly-Effect-with-Jon-Ronson-Audiobook/B073JS84YF?qid=1500046538&sr=1-4 https://www.audible.com/pd/Radio-TV/The-Butterfly-Effect-wit... It's a pretty thoughtful take on what the tech industry really means/does to the American economy today.
  - stevenwoo 9y ago
    The way Mindgeek have managed to pay the performers to create the works by the item like garment workers of old and make money off the piracy of the performers' work feels terribly unjust.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Porn performers were already paid by the item before MindGeek. They make videos for multiple studios, they are not fixed employees.
      - naiv 9y ago
        Not fixed employees but sometimes under contract for either a certain sex type or as a whole for a certain time. Nowadays the girls escalate, they start with very regular stuff, not doing anal, gangbangs etc. in the beginning but grow their fan base until the studios start to bid eg for her first "blow bang" and pay a lot more to have her not doing some sex type with another studio for a certain amount of time. If you are not able to grow your fan base fast as a model, you will not be able to demand higher rates. There are even companies specializing in social media consulting for porn stars.
        louithethrid 9y ago
        I just imagined the average suited up consultant giving a power-point prep-speach to a porn star. "...You got to get all in..." ".. try to see not the pain, not the humilation, but the window of opportunity.." ".. its not a substainable buisness-model, unless you stop shorting chest and booty-inflation.."
- forkLding 9y ago
  Sort of like chauffeurs/drivers in the old days before taxis and Uber, I'd say. I think the other alternative is a pornhub in which you pay for, which I can attest to, is not what I'm or any regular consumer is looking forward to.
icantdrive55 9y ago
I was on the video end of it years ago. Not acting, but selling out of copyright videos. Most poeople don't know this, but the copyright for most porn videos are dead after, I believe late 70's. It doesn't matter, producers don't care about copyrights. Most of the porn was stolen. All those glossy videos, or most of those and DVD's are stolen, recopied, and put into three color separation slick packaging. The three color printing separation was the biggest expense. The business was slimey. My buddy ended up bankrupt. The average person has no idea how depressing the entire industry is. Every actress, and actor had a drug problem. The men were huge drinkers. I remember going to a convention. It was a porn business convention. I remember walking with my friend. I felt like people were looking at my clothes, and not my face. They were looking at my package. Yes--I was young and nieve. My package is small, but at the time they thought I was in the films. Well, besides not being sexy. Every aspect of the business seemed to be connected to some syndicate. Well, my friend, and my mom's boyfriend lost all his money. His buddy from childhood betrayed him. I helped him, but refused to invest. I just couldn't figure out how to make any real money. Yes--we gave away tapes. Sex sell though. The only entertainment sites I ever paid for were porn sites. My hormones have decreased with age, and I have no need to pay for porn. I do still go to the free sites. I've thought about building a porn site, but for the life of me I can't figure out how they make so much money. I've thought about building site that caters to old flames. You sign up. You write about the love of your life. You ask politely for a video. If he, or she happens to be a member of the site, and sends the other member a video--yes--mission accomplished? I guess? There's a lot of liability I imagine? Building it doesn't seem that hard. You are just putting two people, who once knew each other together--digitally. Hell, this is the rest reason I should gender up for FB years ago. Never had much fun on FB though. Anyways, I leave with this. There was nothing about the actual industry that was sexy on the business end. At the end of the day, I felt like I just finished watching Boogie Nights. That weird empty feeling.
naiv 9y ago
There is György Gattyán, he is the owner of Docler, the company behind Live Jasmin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Gatty%C3%A1n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Gatty%C3%A1n Forbes ranked him as the richest man in Hungary valuing his net worth at around 5bn Euro. LiveJasmin is the reason why you see so much free porn as they are financing the free tube sites with their ads to upsell to live cams.

Porn has led the way on a number of technological innovations, I'm surprised there aren't more billionaire porn kings/queens. edit - modifiers are hard

by colbyh 9y ago

Porn has led the way on a number of technological innovations, I'm surprised there aren't more billionaire porn kings/queens. edit - modifiers are hard

TaylorGood 9y ago

Surprised a porn related blockchain token hasn't taken ahold yet. There are attempts.

deleted 9y ago
[deleted]
max_ 9y ago
Ethereum Adult Cams, http://www.spankchain.com http://www.spankchain.com
- volkk 9y ago
  Gotta say, I love the name
deleted 9y ago
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stevenwoo 9y ago

IIRC almost all porn now comes from one company, Mindgeek. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MindGeek It reads like the founder started the company in 2010 and sold it to the current owners in 2013. I've read that the actors/actresses don't make a lot (it's on a per scene basis) and have short careers and the money is mostly in distribution so with one large company any billionaires would probably be from there.

meri_dian 9y ago
>"In November 2013, it was reported that Pornhub has over 1 billion visitors per month, and a December 2014 article in Adweek states that Pornhub has 50 million daily visitors." 2017 numbers are probably much higher... Wow
- userbinator 9y ago
  That's roughly 580 visitors per second. Wow indeed.
  - ge96 9y ago
    I'm doing my part, are you? Haha scene from Starship Troopers
  - imaginenore 9y ago
    That's on average. You can double-triple it for peak.
alphonsegaston 9y ago
Jon Ronson has a great new Audible podcast about how Mindgeek used the YouTube piracy model to make billions and destroy the livelihoods of sex workers in the porn industry: https://www.audible.com/pd/Radio-TV/The-Butterfly-Effect-with-Jon-Ronson-Audiobook/B073JS84YF?qid=1500046538&sr=1-4 https://www.audible.com/pd/Radio-TV/The-Butterfly-Effect-wit... It's a pretty thoughtful take on what the tech industry really means/does to the American economy today.
- stevenwoo 9y ago
  The way Mindgeek have managed to pay the performers to create the works by the item like garment workers of old and make money off the piracy of the performers' work feels terribly unjust.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Porn performers were already paid by the item before MindGeek. They make videos for multiple studios, they are not fixed employees.
    - naiv 9y ago
      Not fixed employees but sometimes under contract for either a certain sex type or as a whole for a certain time. Nowadays the girls escalate, they start with very regular stuff, not doing anal, gangbangs etc. in the beginning but grow their fan base until the studios start to bid eg for her first "blow bang" and pay a lot more to have her not doing some sex type with another studio for a certain amount of time. If you are not able to grow your fan base fast as a model, you will not be able to demand higher rates. There are even companies specializing in social media consulting for porn stars.
      - louithethrid 9y ago
        I just imagined the average suited up consultant giving a power-point prep-speach to a porn star. "...You got to get all in..." ".. try to see not the pain, not the humilation, but the window of opportunity.." ".. its not a substainable buisness-model, unless you stop shorting chest and booty-inflation.."
forkLding 9y ago
Sort of like chauffeurs/drivers in the old days before taxis and Uber, I'd say. I think the other alternative is a pornhub in which you pay for, which I can attest to, is not what I'm or any regular consumer is looking forward to.

icantdrive55 9y ago

I was on the video end of it years ago. Not acting, but selling out of copyright videos. Most poeople don't know this, but the copyright for most porn videos are dead after, I believe late 70's. It doesn't matter, producers don't care about copyrights. Most of the porn was stolen. All those glossy videos, or most of those and DVD's are stolen, recopied, and put into three color separation slick packaging. The three color printing separation was the biggest expense. The business was slimey. My buddy ended up bankrupt. The average person has no idea how depressing the entire industry is. Every actress, and actor had a drug problem. The men were huge drinkers. I remember going to a convention. It was a porn business convention. I remember walking with my friend. I felt like people were looking at my clothes, and not my face. They were looking at my package. Yes--I was young and nieve. My package is small, but at the time they thought I was in the films. Well, besides not being sexy. Every aspect of the business seemed to be connected to some syndicate. Well, my friend, and my mom's boyfriend lost all his money. His buddy from childhood betrayed him. I helped him, but refused to invest. I just couldn't figure out how to make any real money. Yes--we gave away tapes. Sex sell though. The only entertainment sites I ever paid for were porn sites. My hormones have decreased with age, and I have no need to pay for porn. I do still go to the free sites. I've thought about building a porn site, but for the life of me I can't figure out how they make so much money. I've thought about building site that caters to old flames. You sign up. You write about the love of your life. You ask politely for a video. If he, or she happens to be a member of the site, and sends the other member a video--yes--mission accomplished? I guess? There's a lot of liability I imagine? Building it doesn't seem that hard. You are just putting two people, who once knew each other together--digitally. Hell, this is the rest reason I should gender up for FB years ago. Never had much fun on FB though. Anyways, I leave with this. There was nothing about the actual industry that was sexy on the business end. At the end of the day, I felt like I just finished watching Boogie Nights. That weird empty feeling.

naiv 9y ago

There is György Gattyán, he is the owner of Docler, the company behind Live Jasmin, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Gatty%C3%A1n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gy%C3%B6rgy_Gatty%C3%A1n Forbes ranked him as the richest man in Hungary valuing his net worth at around 5bn Euro. LiveJasmin is the reason why you see so much free porn as they are financing the free tube sites with their ads to upsell to live cams.