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You may want to reread his post. The penultimate sentence is a kicker.

binspace 16y ago
Yeah it's a hoot, especially coming from the guy who will kill people not using statistics, which is a great read btw. http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html I'm sure it's just an off-the-cuff remark. I've made plenty in my day.
- andrewtj 16y ago
  I'm sure it's just an off-the-cuff remark. The guy weighs in on the opposite side of something that is common knowledge, then says you should check what I'm saying because I could be fibbing, oh and I'm famous for having a bias against the side I've just disfavoured — and you reach that conclusion? If I were a cynic I'd say both you and he were trolling, but I rather think he was just taking the mickey and it's turned into a rather droll black comedy.
  - binspace 16y ago
    > and you reach that conclusion? I think Zed is a good guy. He is certainly civil in person and tends to have well thought out arguments. I was surprised by the claim without any data to back it up. I missed the whole implicit common knowledge part. I thought people were trying to defend his statement. > it's turned into a rather droll black comedy. I'll defer to you on this one. I wasn't intending on being a troll, so sorry if it turned out that way. I'm just annoyed that I was getting downvoted over what I thought were valid questions.
  - binspace 16y ago
    aah, it was supposed to be humorous. Jeez, I guess the jokes on me. > and you reach that conclusion? The only conclusion I have reached so far is that you are a dick.
    - andrewtj 16y ago
      I don't expect you'll respond, but, what happened in the 4 hours between your first civil response and this second rather uncouth one?
      - binspace 16y ago
        It figures you downvoted me. You will probably downvote this one too. I was sort of thinking about it, and I realized you were screwing with me. It's sortof humorous and dickish (sorry douchey is more appropriate) at the same time. I don't hate you, but it's not how I would conduct myself, especially if somebody is obviously ignorant over a certain context of discussion. > second rather uncouth one I thought it was appropriate. I could have been more high-brow about it, but why bother? You would have downvoted me anyway and would not have been any more sympathetic. It certainly made me feel better. Also using lmgtfy, classy! (I had another comment but decided I didn't want to get downvoted twice by you, so I merged it).
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        andrewtj 16y ago
        It figures you downvoted me. You will probably downvote this one too. So that's what concerned you. The points don't matter. Seriously, they don't mean anything and certainly shouldn't change the way you interact with people. Particularly as you don't know who is doling out the points. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1505323 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1505323
        binspace 16y ago
        > So that's what concerned you. The points don't matter. That's your response? How very caviler of you. It does matter because it's communication, albeit binary and pretty bad, about how well your comment is being received. It matters emotionally, just like a scowl matters, or a joke at your expense matters. It's also a form of censorship and throwing rotten food on the poster. > Particularly as you don't know who is doling out the points Well, that is part of the problem, isn't it? Humans are not completely logical, Dr. Spock. Including me and you... We gotta make assumptions sometimes in absence of information. Well cool, I found out something new, you got your jab in there. Win-win. Point taken about how the voting algorithm works.
acangiano 16y ago
I'm not a big fan of the "Bullshit statement." -> "I may be trolling" approach. He is still spreading misinformation that people here may believe as true.

Yeah it's a hoot, especially coming from the guy who will kill people not using statistics, which is a great read btw. http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html http://www.zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html I'm sure it's just an off-the-cuff remark. I've made plenty in my day.

andrewtj 16y ago
I'm sure it's just an off-the-cuff remark. The guy weighs in on the opposite side of something that is common knowledge, then says you should check what I'm saying because I could be fibbing, oh and I'm famous for having a bias against the side I've just disfavoured — and you reach that conclusion? If I were a cynic I'd say both you and he were trolling, but I rather think he was just taking the mickey and it's turned into a rather droll black comedy.
- binspace 16y ago
  > and you reach that conclusion? I think Zed is a good guy. He is certainly civil in person and tends to have well thought out arguments. I was surprised by the claim without any data to back it up. I missed the whole implicit common knowledge part. I thought people were trying to defend his statement. > it's turned into a rather droll black comedy. I'll defer to you on this one. I wasn't intending on being a troll, so sorry if it turned out that way. I'm just annoyed that I was getting downvoted over what I thought were valid questions.
- binspace 16y ago
  aah, it was supposed to be humorous. Jeez, I guess the jokes on me. > and you reach that conclusion? The only conclusion I have reached so far is that you are a dick.
  - andrewtj 16y ago
    I don't expect you'll respond, but, what happened in the 4 hours between your first civil response and this second rather uncouth one?
    - binspace 16y ago
      It figures you downvoted me. You will probably downvote this one too. I was sort of thinking about it, and I realized you were screwing with me. It's sortof humorous and dickish (sorry douchey is more appropriate) at the same time. I don't hate you, but it's not how I would conduct myself, especially if somebody is obviously ignorant over a certain context of discussion. > second rather uncouth one I thought it was appropriate. I could have been more high-brow about it, but why bother? You would have downvoted me anyway and would not have been any more sympathetic. It certainly made me feel better. Also using lmgtfy, classy! (I had another comment but decided I didn't want to get downvoted twice by you, so I merged it).
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      - andrewtj 16y ago
        It figures you downvoted me. You will probably downvote this one too. So that's what concerned you. The points don't matter. Seriously, they don't mean anything and certainly shouldn't change the way you interact with people. Particularly as you don't know who is doling out the points. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1505323 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1505323
        binspace 16y ago
        > So that's what concerned you. The points don't matter. That's your response? How very caviler of you. It does matter because it's communication, albeit binary and pretty bad, about how well your comment is being received. It matters emotionally, just like a scowl matters, or a joke at your expense matters. It's also a form of censorship and throwing rotten food on the poster. > Particularly as you don't know who is doling out the points Well, that is part of the problem, isn't it? Humans are not completely logical, Dr. Spock. Including me and you... We gotta make assumptions sometimes in absence of information. Well cool, I found out something new, you got your jab in there. Win-win. Point taken about how the voting algorithm works.

acangiano 16y ago

I'm not a big fan of the "Bullshit statement." -> "I may be trolling" approach. He is still spreading misinformation that people here may believe as true.