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If recent events have shown anything, it is that we need to do a lot MORE to stop neo-Nazism. I'm not saying doxx all neo-Nazis and whites, supremacists. But we

by gormo2 9y ago

If recent events have shown anything, it is that we need to do a lot MORE to stop neo-Nazism. I'm not saying doxx all neo-Nazis and whites, supremacists. But we need to name them. Make them known. Don't support their businesses. Don't let them have domains or websites. Kick them off Google platforms, Facebook, even OKCupid. All private companies need to take action now and make sure none of them can use the internet to spread their hate, or really use any service. I think it is time to organize contacting car dealerships working next to deny selling any automobiles to them. Eventually we can get the DMV to deny licenses to these dangerous individuals, or at least put them on a registry so the feds can check in on them.

ameister14 9y ago
There are a few hundred neo-nazis in the US. There are 50,000 in Austria and they have seats on the European Parliament from Austria, Greece, and Germany, despite the much harsher rules there.
- scottmf 9y ago
  The US currently has them in the White House.
  - wjsn 9y ago
    Jared Kushner, for one
pyroinferno 9y ago
I agree, we should do this with Muslims too, right? Since they also kill people.
- gormo2 9y ago
  There is nothing inherently bigoted about Islam or Muslims. Neo-Nazism however...
  - pyroinferno 9y ago
    What makes you say that? Muslims have killed a lot more people this year in the name of their ideology than Nazis...
    - gormo2 9y ago
      The fact you just call them "Muslims" speaks volumes about you and your beliefs. Educate yourself #notallmuslims
      - tscs37 9y ago
        You should educate yourself because what you ask for is basically what happened to jews in the third reich. Not even something toned down or a "behind the curtains" deal, by doing this you are not better than the nazi's themselves, you stoop to their level.
      - deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]
    - bloobloobloo 9y ago
      The left today: "Speech we don't like is violence. Violence we like is speech." When the left's pets - Muslims, immigrants, Communists, minorities - kill someone, that's a loner acting alone. When someone dies in the vicinity of the left's opponents, that's a manifestation of inherent violence.
  - jimmyk 9y ago
    Are you saying Islam doesn't teach Muslims to behave preferentially toward (some of) their fellow Muslims in any way?
- ptasci67 9y ago
  Insert point about the slippery slope fallacy here. There is no debate amongst the vast majority of our society that neo-Nazis are provocateurs of hate, racism, and violence. Their beliefs (the suppression and murder of Jews, people of African descent, etc) cannot be tolerated in a civilised society. The same debate about the role of Islam in terrorism in the Middle East and here in the US is nowhere near as settled. Therefore, I am not sure the slippery slope can be claimed here.
- sctb 9y ago
  We've asked you many times not to post pure inflammation on Hacker News, so we've banned the account.
Quarrelsome 9y ago
I feel like love is a better tool than hate in trying to affect social change. Remember its not "them" we need to convince and get back onto the straight and narrow, its the people listening, the children and those waiting to make their own decisions on the subject. To give those people a persecuted underdog to sympathise with isn't going to improve the next generations ways of thinking. Racism isn't like polio, we can't eradicate it because its the natural condition of homogeneous communities. Oh and the false positives for the solution you offer are terrifying by putting the judgement into the hands of everyone. Imagine being wrongly accused of being a neo-nazi?
- randomstudent 9y ago
  > I feel like love is a better tool than hate in trying to affect social change. Please do not argue for this position based on "feelings"... In my own country, most social change was the result of war, credible threats of violence and technological progress. Natuarally, I "feel" the opposite. Since we're discussing the US, I'd wager that's probably true there too: white culture became dominant over Native America culture because the Native Americans were wiped out, and the survivors were sent to barren reservations. Slavery was brought to an end because its supporters were defeated in a literal war. Also, the social change that gave rise to salvery was based on the forceful kidnapping of people, too. Worker rights are the result of strikes and often literal violence. Were I familiar enough with the History of the US I think I could bring up other situations. (If I'm wrong on any of these historical points I'll be happy to be corrected)
  - Quarrelsome 9y ago
    I get your point (I'd argue that velvet revolutions are longer lasting on average though) but you can't kill racism like this. It is the default state of homogenised communities. Its not like Muscovy killing off the Great Horde and purging or exiling the Mongols so the people of Rus could rule themselves. Racist nationalism is within every one of our children and is only expelled through individual education or positive exposure to people that are different. You cannot kill it off like you can Polio.
  - 9y ago

by gormo2 9y ago

ameister14 9y ago

There are a few hundred neo-nazis in the US. There are 50,000 in Austria and they have seats on the European Parliament from Austria, Greece, and Germany, despite the much harsher rules there.

scottmf 9y ago
The US currently has them in the White House.
- wjsn 9y ago
  Jared Kushner, for one

pyroinferno 9y ago

I agree, we should do this with Muslims too, right? Since they also kill people.

gormo2 9y ago
There is nothing inherently bigoted about Islam or Muslims. Neo-Nazism however...
- pyroinferno 9y ago
  What makes you say that? Muslims have killed a lot more people this year in the name of their ideology than Nazis...
  - gormo2 9y ago
    The fact you just call them "Muslims" speaks volumes about you and your beliefs. Educate yourself #notallmuslims
    - tscs37 9y ago
      You should educate yourself because what you ask for is basically what happened to jews in the third reich. Not even something toned down or a "behind the curtains" deal, by doing this you are not better than the nazi's themselves, you stoop to their level.
    - deleted 9y ago
      [deleted]
  - bloobloobloo 9y ago
    The left today: "Speech we don't like is violence. Violence we like is speech." When the left's pets - Muslims, immigrants, Communists, minorities - kill someone, that's a loner acting alone. When someone dies in the vicinity of the left's opponents, that's a manifestation of inherent violence.
- jimmyk 9y ago
  Are you saying Islam doesn't teach Muslims to behave preferentially toward (some of) their fellow Muslims in any way?
ptasci67 9y ago
Insert point about the slippery slope fallacy here. There is no debate amongst the vast majority of our society that neo-Nazis are provocateurs of hate, racism, and violence. Their beliefs (the suppression and murder of Jews, people of African descent, etc) cannot be tolerated in a civilised society. The same debate about the role of Islam in terrorism in the Middle East and here in the US is nowhere near as settled. Therefore, I am not sure the slippery slope can be claimed here.
sctb 9y ago
We've asked you many times not to post pure inflammation on Hacker News, so we've banned the account.

Quarrelsome 9y ago

I feel like love is a better tool than hate in trying to affect social change. Remember its not "them" we need to convince and get back onto the straight and narrow, its the people listening, the children and those waiting to make their own decisions on the subject. To give those people a persecuted underdog to sympathise with isn't going to improve the next generations ways of thinking. Racism isn't like polio, we can't eradicate it because its the natural condition of homogeneous communities. Oh and the false positives for the solution you offer are terrifying by putting the judgement into the hands of everyone. Imagine being wrongly accused of being a neo-nazi?

randomstudent 9y ago
> I feel like love is a better tool than hate in trying to affect social change. Please do not argue for this position based on "feelings"... In my own country, most social change was the result of war, credible threats of violence and technological progress. Natuarally, I "feel" the opposite. Since we're discussing the US, I'd wager that's probably true there too: white culture became dominant over Native America culture because the Native Americans were wiped out, and the survivors were sent to barren reservations. Slavery was brought to an end because its supporters were defeated in a literal war. Also, the social change that gave rise to salvery was based on the forceful kidnapping of people, too. Worker rights are the result of strikes and often literal violence. Were I familiar enough with the History of the US I think I could bring up other situations. (If I'm wrong on any of these historical points I'll be happy to be corrected)
- Quarrelsome 9y ago
  I get your point (I'd argue that velvet revolutions are longer lasting on average though) but you can't kill racism like this. It is the default state of homogenised communities. Its not like Muscovy killing off the Great Horde and purging or exiling the Mongols so the people of Rus could rule themselves. Racist nationalism is within every one of our children and is only expelled through individual education or positive exposure to people that are different. You cannot kill it off like you can Polio.
- 9y ago