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I am at the point where I no longer answer my phone if it isn't one of my contacts. If it is important, they will leave a message. I just press the hang up bu

I am at the point where I no longer answer my phone if it isn't one of my contacts. If it is important, they will leave a message. I just press the hang up button on my watch immediately, if it shows an unrecognized number, local or not.

FussyZeus 9y ago
^ That's pretty much how I am too, which is insane. Why on Earth is this still such a problem? Surely we can solve it.
- jerf 9y ago
  It turns out to be really hard to have a medium that A: allows people you have not whitelisted in a advance to contact you and also B: prevents intelligent adversaries from abusing that. There are numerous examples of this: The phone system, the email system, any large IM system that gets beyond a certain size, the physical mail system (reigned in by charges there, though), social networks... It would be easy if the adversaries were not actively using their intelligence to get around whatever solution you think might work. If all the spam phone calls came from the same number, which never moved or changed, this would be easy. But even before you account for the unauthenticated nature of caller ID that allows spammers to trivially forge any number they'd like, the mere fact that they're willing and able to buy up large blocks of numbers and would switch them around a lot would make this a difficult problem. Stopping intelligent, adaptive adversaries willing to dedicate time and resources to this is a very hard problem. You can also attack this problem by trying to hit the first clause I gave, but that creates a very different kind of system. And in general, you need some sort of system that you don't have to prewhitelist people, so that your doctor can call you even though you didn't whitelist them, etc.
  - bluGill 9y ago
    I don't actually need to prevent intelligent adversaries from calling me though - I just need a legal way to go after them if they do. That means I need useful identification. Many of these calls are illegal today, but the law doesn't know how to find them so they get away with it. Anonymous communication is useful, but it has been abused enough that I want to opt-out of it.
neolefty 9y ago
Yep. Even as an avowed extrovert, I have switched my default ringtone to silent.
joezydeco 9y ago
If you have an iOS phone, you can set it up to do this for you. Do Not Disturb + allow calls only from contacts = whitelist of callers.
- artursapek 9y ago
  I only recently figured this out and it's wonderful.
- crsmith 9y ago
  I tried this, but Do Not Disturb silences all texts, including those from contacts. Deal breaker for me.
  - joezydeco 9y ago
    There's an (awkward) way around that with Emergency Bypass: https://www.imore.com/how-receive-messages-specific-contacts-do-not-disturb-mode https://www.imore.com/how-receive-messages-specific-contacts...
- ianferrel 9y ago
  I want this to work, but I need Do Not Disturb to silence everything when I'm actually asleep, and there's no way to have it change between those on a schedule.

FussyZeus 9y ago

^ That's pretty much how I am too, which is insane. Why on Earth is this still such a problem? Surely we can solve it.

jerf 9y ago
It turns out to be really hard to have a medium that A: allows people you have not whitelisted in a advance to contact you and also B: prevents intelligent adversaries from abusing that. There are numerous examples of this: The phone system, the email system, any large IM system that gets beyond a certain size, the physical mail system (reigned in by charges there, though), social networks... It would be easy if the adversaries were not actively using their intelligence to get around whatever solution you think might work. If all the spam phone calls came from the same number, which never moved or changed, this would be easy. But even before you account for the unauthenticated nature of caller ID that allows spammers to trivially forge any number they'd like, the mere fact that they're willing and able to buy up large blocks of numbers and would switch them around a lot would make this a difficult problem. Stopping intelligent, adaptive adversaries willing to dedicate time and resources to this is a very hard problem. You can also attack this problem by trying to hit the first clause I gave, but that creates a very different kind of system. And in general, you need some sort of system that you don't have to prewhitelist people, so that your doctor can call you even though you didn't whitelist them, etc.
- bluGill 9y ago
  I don't actually need to prevent intelligent adversaries from calling me though - I just need a legal way to go after them if they do. That means I need useful identification. Many of these calls are illegal today, but the law doesn't know how to find them so they get away with it. Anonymous communication is useful, but it has been abused enough that I want to opt-out of it.

neolefty 9y ago

Yep. Even as an avowed extrovert, I have switched my default ringtone to silent.

joezydeco 9y ago

If you have an iOS phone, you can set it up to do this for you. Do Not Disturb + allow calls only from contacts = whitelist of callers.

artursapek 9y ago
I only recently figured this out and it's wonderful.
crsmith 9y ago
I tried this, but Do Not Disturb silences all texts, including those from contacts. Deal breaker for me.
- joezydeco 9y ago
  There's an (awkward) way around that with Emergency Bypass: https://www.imore.com/how-receive-messages-specific-contacts-do-not-disturb-mode https://www.imore.com/how-receive-messages-specific-contacts...
ianferrel 9y ago
I want this to work, but I need Do Not Disturb to silence everything when I'm actually asleep, and there's no way to have it change between those on a schedule.