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I don't think the worst is his being wrong and biased but that rather than discuss his concerns in a sensible way (i.e. quietly and with someone in a position t

by boyce 9y ago

I don't think the worst is his being wrong and biased but that rather than discuss his concerns in a sensible way (i.e. quietly and with someone in a position to set him right on the diversity issue) he has caused a shitstorm by making this document so widely available. Perhaps it's a failing of culture at Google that he didn't have a better way to express his concerns and have them addressed.

Kluny 9y ago
I'm willing to bet there was a better way to do it. He probably just got impatient that he wasn't getting quick enough response, or the response he wanted, through those channels. Anyway, doing something that makes the company look so bad on such a scale as this would be grounds for firing no matter what it was about.
- dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
  What really makes Google "bad on such a scale" is actually firing the guy and thereby confirming his "echo chamber" point.
  - Kluny 9y ago
    Would you want that guy on your team? I wouldn't.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
      You might not realize but you might already have several similar people on your team, but you'll never know as it's now officially forbidden to even express one's opinion on these matters.
    - chvid 9y ago
      I have been on teams with people having opinions like "that guy" plus some people being vegan communist yoga teachers. And we have been able to get along just fine. That is how it is and how it has to be in a big company.
    - peoplewindow 9y ago
      Sure. He challenges unsupportable mental hangups with data and reason. Fuck yes I'd hire him (and if he lived in a different part of the world I could, because I am a hiring manager for a software engineering team at the moment).
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DavidSJ 9y ago
Sharing posts company-wide is an extremely common mechanism employed at Google to influence company direction over all sorts of technical and organizational matters. It seems wrong to single out the author of this memo for employing a tool widely accepted by the company culture as one appropriate for participating in a dialogue.
- boyce 9y ago
  I think I did the opposite? Pretty sure I blamed the corporate culture for him not having a better way to express himself without causing this problem.

by boyce 9y ago

Kluny 9y ago

I'm willing to bet there was a better way to do it. He probably just got impatient that he wasn't getting quick enough response, or the response he wanted, through those channels. Anyway, doing something that makes the company look so bad on such a scale as this would be grounds for firing no matter what it was about.

dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
What really makes Google "bad on such a scale" is actually firing the guy and thereby confirming his "echo chamber" point.
- Kluny 9y ago
  Would you want that guy on your team? I wouldn't.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
    You might not realize but you might already have several similar people on your team, but you'll never know as it's now officially forbidden to even express one's opinion on these matters.
  - chvid 9y ago
    I have been on teams with people having opinions like "that guy" plus some people being vegan communist yoga teachers. And we have been able to get along just fine. That is how it is and how it has to be in a big company.
  - peoplewindow 9y ago
    Sure. He challenges unsupportable mental hangups with data and reason. Fuck yes I'd hire him (and if he lived in a different part of the world I could, because I am a hiring manager for a software engineering team at the moment).
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DavidSJ 9y ago

Sharing posts company-wide is an extremely common mechanism employed at Google to influence company direction over all sorts of technical and organizational matters. It seems wrong to single out the author of this memo for employing a tool widely accepted by the company culture as one appropriate for participating in a dialogue.

boyce 9y ago
I think I did the opposite? Pretty sure I blamed the corporate culture for him not having a better way to express himself without causing this problem.