I would add to that oil and gas project managers. When I moved to SF from Dallas I was astounded how little Product Managers assessed resource costs + risk to

I would add to that oil and gas project managers. When I moved to SF from Dallas I was astounded how little Product Managers assessed resource costs + risk to value. I get that it's a different world with different objectives but there were clear moments in the SV where some good old fashion blue collar project management would have made a significant impact.