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They've already fucked it up. Here's an hour long interview with Patreon's CEO, Jack Conte, where he goes through some ridiculous mental gymnastics trying to j

They've already fucked it up. Here's an hour long interview with Patreon's CEO, Jack Conte, where he goes through some ridiculous mental gymnastics trying to justify why it's ok he is kicking conservative journalists off his platform. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofpbDgCj9rw

xexers 9y ago
Can you give me the TLDW;?
- Neeek 9y ago
  Not having watched the whole thing, it sounds like this Lauren Southern (the journalist in question) was using funds from Patreon to help blockade a ship in the Mediterranean. They though the ship was leaving to collect migrants, apparently it was being used by doctors without borders for search and rescue operations. The CEO states in the first couple of minutes that they wouldn't be supporting that kind of activity and is apparently against their terms of service. This seems pretty obviously not about freedom of speech but about what illegal activities Patreon could be accused of supporting financially.* Does he go on later in the video to justify removing other accounts because of political beliefs? I haven't made it much further in. *EDIT: So after watching another video on the subject, the official statement has less to do with what Patreon doesn't want to be seen funding but more about a section of their content policy stating they will not allow action that might endanger the life of another person, i.e. blockading search and rescue vessels.
  - hyperdunc 9y ago
    s/search and rescue vessels/people smuggling vessels
    - Neeek 9y ago
      Sure, assuming Doctors Without Borders is in the people smuggling business now, it is still a seaworthy vessel instead of a makeshift raft, the kind that is responsible for that drowned toddler washing up on European shores which is specifically used as an example of the possible harm that would be in breach of the company's content policy.
      - nostromo123 9y ago
        Picking up people 20 miles off of Libya's coast and bringing them to Italy instead of to the much (!) closer African shore is not exactly "search & rescue". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-rescue-italy-idUSKBN1962GD http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-rescue-ita...
        Neeek 9y ago
        Ignoring your apparent political motivation to keep these people out of Europe (which is not really what is being discussed), the fact still stands that without these ships, human people are at greater risk of drowning. As I stated in an earlier post, there are better ways to stop people smuggling than letting the people being smuggled, drown at sea.
        nostromo123 9y ago
        Yes, the better way is to make it clear that trying to illegally enter Europe is useless. If there is no motivation to cross the sea in a rubber dinghy, there will be no drowning people, either. But this is apparently out of the question, for reasons of "humanity".
        Neeek 9y ago
        I'm not disagreeing with you, but we aren't talking about immigration policy here, we are talking about whether or not Patreon's content policy was violated.
        9y ago
wfo 9y ago
Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean using patreon funds are conservative journalists. Won't anyone think of free speech? Next he'll ban patreon crowdfunding the creation of snuff films, what a monster. It's almost like he doesn't want to be knowingly complicit in murder. I'll give you this, though, the man is devious -- can you imagine the mental gymnastics involved in watching a video proudly filmed and posted online by these people of them doing a thing and discussing that very thing in the middle of doing it? And using that as evidence? Truly disgusting.
- jsf666 9y ago
  > Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean Could you back up this garbage with evidence? I presume you're talking about e.g. Lauren Southern and Defend Europe.
- amscanne 9y ago
  > Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean This kind of gross distortion is counterproductive. (Unless your goal is to alienate others and hurt your own credibility.)
- Guncat12 9y ago
  This is a disgusting comment.

xexers 9y ago

Can you give me the TLDW;?

Neeek 9y ago
Not having watched the whole thing, it sounds like this Lauren Southern (the journalist in question) was using funds from Patreon to help blockade a ship in the Mediterranean. They though the ship was leaving to collect migrants, apparently it was being used by doctors without borders for search and rescue operations. The CEO states in the first couple of minutes that they wouldn't be supporting that kind of activity and is apparently against their terms of service. This seems pretty obviously not about freedom of speech but about what illegal activities Patreon could be accused of supporting financially.* Does he go on later in the video to justify removing other accounts because of political beliefs? I haven't made it much further in. *EDIT: So after watching another video on the subject, the official statement has less to do with what Patreon doesn't want to be seen funding but more about a section of their content policy stating they will not allow action that might endanger the life of another person, i.e. blockading search and rescue vessels.
- hyperdunc 9y ago
  s/search and rescue vessels/people smuggling vessels
  - Neeek 9y ago
    Sure, assuming Doctors Without Borders is in the people smuggling business now, it is still a seaworthy vessel instead of a makeshift raft, the kind that is responsible for that drowned toddler washing up on European shores which is specifically used as an example of the possible harm that would be in breach of the company's content policy.
    - nostromo123 9y ago
      Picking up people 20 miles off of Libya's coast and bringing them to Italy instead of to the much (!) closer African shore is not exactly "search & rescue". http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-rescue-italy-idUSKBN1962GD http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-rescue-ita...
      - Neeek 9y ago
        Ignoring your apparent political motivation to keep these people out of Europe (which is not really what is being discussed), the fact still stands that without these ships, human people are at greater risk of drowning. As I stated in an earlier post, there are better ways to stop people smuggling than letting the people being smuggled, drown at sea.
        nostromo123 9y ago
        Yes, the better way is to make it clear that trying to illegally enter Europe is useless. If there is no motivation to cross the sea in a rubber dinghy, there will be no drowning people, either. But this is apparently out of the question, for reasons of "humanity".
        Neeek 9y ago
        I'm not disagreeing with you, but we aren't talking about immigration policy here, we are talking about whether or not Patreon's content policy was violated.
        9y ago

wfo 9y ago

Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean using patreon funds are conservative journalists. Won't anyone think of free speech? Next he'll ban patreon crowdfunding the creation of snuff films, what a monster. It's almost like he doesn't want to be knowingly complicit in murder. I'll give you this, though, the man is devious -- can you imagine the mental gymnastics involved in watching a video proudly filmed and posted online by these people of them doing a thing and discussing that very thing in the middle of doing it? And using that as evidence? Truly disgusting.

jsf666 9y ago
> Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean Could you back up this garbage with evidence? I presume you're talking about e.g. Lauren Southern and Defend Europe.
amscanne 9y ago
> Yes, now white supremacists trying to make sure brown people die in the ocean This kind of gross distortion is counterproductive. (Unless your goal is to alienate others and hurt your own credibility.)
Guncat12 9y ago
This is a disgusting comment.