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> Even if it is repressive, preventing him to say it by arresting him and his family is not repressive to you? Are you sure he was arrest because of saying tha

> Even if it is repressive, preventing him to say it by arresting him and his family is not repressive to you? Are you sure he was arrest because of saying that? Do you have any facts to support your view? > Liu said China needs to be colonized for 300 years to get better, is it just free of speech? sound quite repressive to me. Do you think Liu deserves Nobel Peace Prize after saying that publicly? Remember that the argument was "There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated".

redial 9y ago
> Do you think Liu deserves Nobel Peace Prize after saying that publicly? I don't care one way or the other, it's the Nobel committee's decision who they award the prize to. It makes no difference to me. It doesn't make what he, or any other Nobel Laureate say any more true or worthy of consideration. > Remember that the argument was "There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated". There was no argument, it was a statement. If you want to argue in favor of why some views should never be publicly stated and who is gonna decide what is/is not allowed, go ahead.
- dis-sys 9y ago
  you came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. if you want to argue "I don't care", you need to back yourself up better. the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize.
  - redial 9y ago
    > the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize. That is your issue, not mine. > you came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. I am here because of the outrageous comment you made about ‘certain views that should never ever be publicly stated’. If you can’t defend your opinions then why are you here? Can you, or can you not explain how do you support your extremist views?
    - dis-sys 9y ago
      what? saying "certain views should never ever be publicly stated" is outrageous? what a joke.
      - redial 9y ago
        You can't defend your position. That's what I thought. A joke indeed.
        dis-sys 9y ago
        I said "certain views should never ever be publicly stated", and suddenly I need to defend such position? If you live in a society that allows you to publicly state anything without consequences, I'd say that is horrible. If you live in the US, try talk about some racial stuff and bring in the same colonization elements in, see how that is going to end. Time to grow up talk like an adult.
        ruleabidinguser 9y ago
        I think the consequences should be decided by the people, rather than an what must be a very insecure central power
        ideal0227 9y ago
        Right. And you still know something is not acceptable by the people, and you probably wont go across that line. Same thing in China. Many of Liu's opinions are hated by Chinese people in general, not by the central power.
        dis-sys 9y ago
        That is the exact consequence Liu got - he is never respected by the Chinese people in general. Why Chinese people should respect someone who openly suggested that they should be colonized by the west for 300 years? For his sentence, no one in this thread ever supported that, for me, it is as bad as giving this man the nobel peace prize.
- ideal0227 9y ago
  > I don't care one way or the other, it's the Nobel committee's decision who they award the prize to. It makes no difference to me. It doesn't make what he, or any other Nobel Laureate say any more true or worthy of consideration. Yea. That is what I want to learn. You do not care about the Prize. > If you want to argue in favor of why some views should never be publicly stated and who is gonna decide what is/is not allowed, go ahead. It seems that is you want to know about it. Probably I misunderstood you. I have no interest :P. So we can stop here.

redial 9y ago

> Do you think Liu deserves Nobel Peace Prize after saying that publicly? I don't care one way or the other, it's the Nobel committee's decision who they award the prize to. It makes no difference to me. It doesn't make what he, or any other Nobel Laureate say any more true or worthy of consideration. > Remember that the argument was "There is certain views that should never ever be publicly stated". There was no argument, it was a statement. If you want to argue in favor of why some views should never be publicly stated and who is gonna decide what is/is not allowed, go ahead.

dis-sys 9y ago
you came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. if you want to argue "I don't care", you need to back yourself up better. the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize.
- redial 9y ago
  > the core issue here is simple: how come such a man who repeatedly made such extremist styles comments in public got awarded the nobel peace prize. That is your issue, not mine. > you came to this thread largely because Liu is not a random dude on street, he had the nobel peace prize. I am here because of the outrageous comment you made about ‘certain views that should never ever be publicly stated’. If you can’t defend your opinions then why are you here? Can you, or can you not explain how do you support your extremist views?
  - dis-sys 9y ago
    what? saying "certain views should never ever be publicly stated" is outrageous? what a joke.
    - redial 9y ago
      You can't defend your position. That's what I thought. A joke indeed.
      - dis-sys 9y ago
        I said "certain views should never ever be publicly stated", and suddenly I need to defend such position? If you live in a society that allows you to publicly state anything without consequences, I'd say that is horrible. If you live in the US, try talk about some racial stuff and bring in the same colonization elements in, see how that is going to end. Time to grow up talk like an adult.
        ruleabidinguser 9y ago
        I think the consequences should be decided by the people, rather than an what must be a very insecure central power
        ideal0227 9y ago
        Right. And you still know something is not acceptable by the people, and you probably wont go across that line. Same thing in China. Many of Liu's opinions are hated by Chinese people in general, not by the central power.
        dis-sys 9y ago
        That is the exact consequence Liu got - he is never respected by the Chinese people in general. Why Chinese people should respect someone who openly suggested that they should be colonized by the west for 300 years? For his sentence, no one in this thread ever supported that, for me, it is as bad as giving this man the nobel peace prize.
ideal0227 9y ago
> I don't care one way or the other, it's the Nobel committee's decision who they award the prize to. It makes no difference to me. It doesn't make what he, or any other Nobel Laureate say any more true or worthy of consideration. Yea. That is what I want to learn. You do not care about the Prize. > If you want to argue in favor of why some views should never be publicly stated and who is gonna decide what is/is not allowed, go ahead. It seems that is you want to know about it. Probably I misunderstood you. I have no interest :P. So we can stop here.