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Ah, you were trolling! Sorry, I thought at first you were serious mate. For the sake of public documentation, I'll argue: It is confrontational because invadi

Ah, you were trolling! Sorry, I thought at first you were serious mate. For the sake of public documentation, I'll argue: It is confrontational because invading my personal space by using more than what's assigned to you is unnecessary and rude. Let me repeat something: I am a man and I also suffer from idiots spreading their legs like they've got balls the size of Jupiter. There's no physical nor biological reason for that, like not at all. Women don't do it. I'm sure you can show me one example of a woman doing it, I can show you 2-3 men per bus trip, easily. It's a matter of education, how we have been educated. Men are educated to become alpha, to use their body to an advantage. Women are educated to be quiet and submissive. It's not "feminine" to sit spreading your legs. It's very masculine to spread legs and arms, to show a bigger physical presence. If you can't see why that's wrong then there's little hope for you. Even worse, if you think "feminist" means "against men" then I'm afraid you had a terrible upbringing.

zakk 9y ago
Please refrain from judging my upbringings -- of which you know nothing. There's no need to get personal even if you are losing an argument. Yes, I do think that modern feminism has a big component of man hating, and that's a pity, given the great tradition of sane feminism quite some years ago. If you cannot see how putting a "man" label over some negative behavior is sexist, I don't know what can save from all this internalized mysandry. Maybe you should try and change your point of view: female have mood swings much more often than men. It's biological, happens once per months, more or less. Should we call this "femm-whining" or "woman-swings"? Female cry much more than men, should we call this "femm-crying"? That would be as sexist as "manspreading". I believe any decent person should avoid these sexist slurs altogether.
- mobiplayer 9y ago
  Wow dude. You're the personification of what's so wrong with the bro-culture in tech. I'm not losing any argument because you're hardly arguing. You're just closing your eyes to facts: Men are educated differently, hence they act differently. Our society is unfair to women and we keep educating our child with the same mistakes. On the other hand, you're claiming women have "mood swings once per month", I'm guessing you're referring to their period. I can't even find the words to describe how despicable has been your attitude on this whole thread, but this deserves the Nobel prize of misogyny. You keep trying to paint yourself as the victim, making it all not only disgusting, but pretty pathetic. The term manspreading is not sexist because it is something you can fix with education, mainly because it's an educational flaw. We're brought up with the wrong values that put women at a disadvantage, yet you want to compare that to having the period. And I would mention your upbringing when I feel like to, which is usually when you have shown enough proof of a flawed upbringing (which is common, starting with my own). I'm not sure why you think I shouldn't be allowed to mention it, when it's 100% relevant to you holding a specific opinion.
  - zakk 9y ago
    Wow dude. You are the personification of a close minded person, who can't stand to have his dogmas criticized without getting all personal and offensive. Do you get like this every time you ideas are being questioned? Usually people here on HN are much more open to different viewpoints. How thick is the bubble you live in, not to realize that people may not accept the feminist viewpoint? (Only 10% of population defines themselves as feminist! There's a world outside your bubble!) You say that our society is unfair to women, however there are many aspects in which it is unfair to men. In my country and in most European countries women are graduating from university at a much higher rate than men. Where is the feminist outrage? Nowhere to be seen, feminism is NOT about equality. The wage gap (another feminist construct, but still, let's play this game) is negative for part time workers. Women earn more than men in that category. Again, no feminist outrage. They just don't care about equality. Finally, the term "manspreading" is indeed sexist, as per dictionary definition of sexism, because it is promoting a stereotype about a gender. That's the definition of sexism in my dictionary. Get over it. Btw, again, I feel that mentioning the upbringings of someone you know nothing about, it's a very sore way of losing an argument. Grow up and discuss facts rather than unsubstantiated (and blatantly false, besides ridiculous) personal claims.
    - sctb 9y ago
      Would you both please stop this tedious flamewar?

zakk 9y ago

Please refrain from judging my upbringings -- of which you know nothing. There's no need to get personal even if you are losing an argument. Yes, I do think that modern feminism has a big component of man hating, and that's a pity, given the great tradition of sane feminism quite some years ago. If you cannot see how putting a "man" label over some negative behavior is sexist, I don't know what can save from all this internalized mysandry. Maybe you should try and change your point of view: female have mood swings much more often than men. It's biological, happens once per months, more or less. Should we call this "femm-whining" or "woman-swings"? Female cry much more than men, should we call this "femm-crying"? That would be as sexist as "manspreading". I believe any decent person should avoid these sexist slurs altogether.

mobiplayer 9y ago
Wow dude. You're the personification of what's so wrong with the bro-culture in tech. I'm not losing any argument because you're hardly arguing. You're just closing your eyes to facts: Men are educated differently, hence they act differently. Our society is unfair to women and we keep educating our child with the same mistakes. On the other hand, you're claiming women have "mood swings once per month", I'm guessing you're referring to their period. I can't even find the words to describe how despicable has been your attitude on this whole thread, but this deserves the Nobel prize of misogyny. You keep trying to paint yourself as the victim, making it all not only disgusting, but pretty pathetic. The term manspreading is not sexist because it is something you can fix with education, mainly because it's an educational flaw. We're brought up with the wrong values that put women at a disadvantage, yet you want to compare that to having the period. And I would mention your upbringing when I feel like to, which is usually when you have shown enough proof of a flawed upbringing (which is common, starting with my own). I'm not sure why you think I shouldn't be allowed to mention it, when it's 100% relevant to you holding a specific opinion.
- zakk 9y ago
  Wow dude. You are the personification of a close minded person, who can't stand to have his dogmas criticized without getting all personal and offensive. Do you get like this every time you ideas are being questioned? Usually people here on HN are much more open to different viewpoints. How thick is the bubble you live in, not to realize that people may not accept the feminist viewpoint? (Only 10% of population defines themselves as feminist! There's a world outside your bubble!) You say that our society is unfair to women, however there are many aspects in which it is unfair to men. In my country and in most European countries women are graduating from university at a much higher rate than men. Where is the feminist outrage? Nowhere to be seen, feminism is NOT about equality. The wage gap (another feminist construct, but still, let's play this game) is negative for part time workers. Women earn more than men in that category. Again, no feminist outrage. They just don't care about equality. Finally, the term "manspreading" is indeed sexist, as per dictionary definition of sexism, because it is promoting a stereotype about a gender. That's the definition of sexism in my dictionary. Get over it. Btw, again, I feel that mentioning the upbringings of someone you know nothing about, it's a very sore way of losing an argument. Grow up and discuss facts rather than unsubstantiated (and blatantly false, besides ridiculous) personal claims.
  - sctb 9y ago
    Would you both please stop this tedious flamewar?