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I'm hoping this puts a dampener or even better kills the May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge to "create a new internet".

by da_n 9y ago

keithpeter 9y ago
Watch out for Angela Rudd. She kept her seat (just) and could be a player.
- arethuza 9y ago
  That's a huge risk though - what would happen if they won an election and their leader lost her seat! There will be a huge push to remove her if (when) there is another election.
  - jwdunne 9y ago
    Yes, there were huge rumours she was in big trouble. Many recounts. She is on a knife edge. Her majority, or lack of, would harm her authority. The Tories are all about performance and she simply hadn't performed.
- matthewmacleod 9y ago
  Amber Rudd, rather than Angela - but I agree she's probably in the running if May resigns today.
  - davidgerard 9y ago
    Yes, but there's the minor problem she's even more out of her depth than May.
    - moomin 9y ago
      The conservatives have a serious problem right now: pragmatism is seen as being ideologically unsound. Look at the amount of briefing against Philip Hammond there's been. We're talking about a fairly competent, pro-Leave chancellor who has merely argued that potential downsides should be evaluated properly before charging ahead. And he's treated like a Traitor To The Cause. The problem being that Conservative MPs can be competent, moral and a true believer in Brexit. But it seems to be impossible to be all three. (The last sounds like a joke, but the exception may prove the rule: Stephen Phillips is definitely a true believer, and demonstrated his integrity by quitting his seat due to his horror at the way Brexit was being handled. Boris Johnson, on the other hand, is none of the above.)
      - tonyedgecombe 9y ago
        Yes, I fully expect them to revert to their old ways and tear themselves apart over Europe.
djaychela 9y ago
I doubt it. May has been on that ticket for years (IIRC 2012?), and the mindset it shared amongst the rest of the party. As someone else has said, Amber Rudd is much the same, in the same way that Michael Gove's replacement in education has been more of the same. I think it's partly ideological, and partly a total lack of understanding of how technology works that leads to it. I've had discussions with people who say they support such a system, and once you explain the technical reasons why that would be a bad idea and the impact on their ability to actually use anything technological, they often soften considerably, and in some cases chance stance completely.
- andygates 9y ago
  May will take that ticket to her grave; even as a doddery old peer, she'll be declaring that Something Must Be Done (and then dropping the ball when asked about details).
cm2187 9y ago
I think two things could happen. A torry-libdem coalition which would kill these nonsensical surveillance laws (libdem vetoed them in the past), or a new general election soon, then all bets are off.
- isostatic 9y ago
  Lib Dems were crucified for their vital and successful minority partner in government for 10-15. The UK population wants a dictator, not a grown up concensus. This will be a Tory government with DUP support on confidence and supply
  - cm2187 9y ago
    I don't know DUP. What is there view on surveillance?
    - isostatic 9y ago
      There are a fair few tory members (not just backbenchers) who are against May's fetish for ripping up human rights bills and installing a camera in every bathroom. DUP are fundamentalist christian hard-right tories, but on the other hand they're in Ireland and know a lot about the bad side of state power (despite nominally being on the side of the British government)
    - walshemj 9y ago
      More in favor of it that a lot of tories the are to the right of the Conservatives even more so on social issues.
    - andygates 9y ago
      I have a sinking feeling they would love it all along a new border wall with Eire. :/
      - isostatic 9y ago
        DUP want an open border between north and south.
dingaling 9y ago
> May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge May-driven in this instance perhaps but Intelligence-agency steered. Next PM will be under the same incessant pressure. Doesn't really matter which captain is on the bridge, they don't have their hand on the tiller.
- pas 9y ago
  That sounds like bullshit. The Parliament is very much on this, you don't need to try to explain it by invoking all-powerful spooks behind the curtains.

I'm hoping this puts a dampener or even better kills the May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge to "create a new internet".

by da_n 9y ago

I'm hoping this puts a dampener or even better kills the May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge to "create a new internet".

keithpeter 9y ago

Watch out for Angela Rudd. She kept her seat (just) and could be a player.

arethuza 9y ago
That's a huge risk though - what would happen if they won an election and their leader lost her seat! There will be a huge push to remove her if (when) there is another election.
- jwdunne 9y ago
  Yes, there were huge rumours she was in big trouble. Many recounts. She is on a knife edge. Her majority, or lack of, would harm her authority. The Tories are all about performance and she simply hadn't performed.
matthewmacleod 9y ago
Amber Rudd, rather than Angela - but I agree she's probably in the running if May resigns today.
- davidgerard 9y ago
  Yes, but there's the minor problem she's even more out of her depth than May.
  - moomin 9y ago
    The conservatives have a serious problem right now: pragmatism is seen as being ideologically unsound. Look at the amount of briefing against Philip Hammond there's been. We're talking about a fairly competent, pro-Leave chancellor who has merely argued that potential downsides should be evaluated properly before charging ahead. And he's treated like a Traitor To The Cause. The problem being that Conservative MPs can be competent, moral and a true believer in Brexit. But it seems to be impossible to be all three. (The last sounds like a joke, but the exception may prove the rule: Stephen Phillips is definitely a true believer, and demonstrated his integrity by quitting his seat due to his horror at the way Brexit was being handled. Boris Johnson, on the other hand, is none of the above.)
    - tonyedgecombe 9y ago
      Yes, I fully expect them to revert to their old ways and tear themselves apart over Europe.

djaychela 9y ago

I doubt it. May has been on that ticket for years (IIRC 2012?), and the mindset it shared amongst the rest of the party. As someone else has said, Amber Rudd is much the same, in the same way that Michael Gove's replacement in education has been more of the same. I think it's partly ideological, and partly a total lack of understanding of how technology works that leads to it. I've had discussions with people who say they support such a system, and once you explain the technical reasons why that would be a bad idea and the impact on their ability to actually use anything technological, they often soften considerably, and in some cases chance stance completely.

andygates 9y ago
May will take that ticket to her grave; even as a doddery old peer, she'll be declaring that Something Must Be Done (and then dropping the ball when asked about details).

cm2187 9y ago

I think two things could happen. A torry-libdem coalition which would kill these nonsensical surveillance laws (libdem vetoed them in the past), or a new general election soon, then all bets are off.

isostatic 9y ago
Lib Dems were crucified for their vital and successful minority partner in government for 10-15. The UK population wants a dictator, not a grown up concensus. This will be a Tory government with DUP support on confidence and supply
- cm2187 9y ago
  I don't know DUP. What is there view on surveillance?
  - isostatic 9y ago
    There are a fair few tory members (not just backbenchers) who are against May's fetish for ripping up human rights bills and installing a camera in every bathroom. DUP are fundamentalist christian hard-right tories, but on the other hand they're in Ireland and know a lot about the bad side of state power (despite nominally being on the side of the British government)
  - walshemj 9y ago
    More in favor of it that a lot of tories the are to the right of the Conservatives even more so on social issues.
  - andygates 9y ago
    I have a sinking feeling they would love it all along a new border wall with Eire. :/
    - isostatic 9y ago
      DUP want an open border between north and south.

dingaling 9y ago

> May-driven Conservative manifesto pledge May-driven in this instance perhaps but Intelligence-agency steered. Next PM will be under the same incessant pressure. Doesn't really matter which captain is on the bridge, they don't have their hand on the tiller.

pas 9y ago
That sounds like bullshit. The Parliament is very much on this, you don't need to try to explain it by invoking all-powerful spooks behind the curtains.