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This is a bad day for the US, since by such a behavior ("America first -- ignore international pacts"), the other countries will less and less likely follow thi

This is a bad day for the US, since by such a behavior ("America first -- ignore international pacts"), the other countries will less and less likely follow this country (with exception of Saudi Arabia, of course). The Europeans are already drawn to China and India and this will grow stronger. And Trump should not think, that European buyers will be more inclined in the future to support US companies by buying US products.

exclusiv 9y ago
Can you explain how Europeans are drawn to China and India given their records on human rights? Are they not informed about the Chinese government? I fail to see how that's more alluring than dealing with America and Trump even with all his faults and arrogance. I think this move was bad and miscalculated at several levels, but I don't think it's going to have the impact you suggest.
- 0xFFFE 9y ago
  "China and India given their records on human rights?" Are you suggesting there is no country in the world where human rights are not violated? I am not defending the violation, but that sentence sounds naively aloof and disconnected from reality.
  - exclusiv 9y ago
    No I'm not suggesting that at all. I just don't see how Europeans would gravitate towards alignment with those countries after this news given their human rights histories and current governments. The only thing I can think is that Europeans are more environmentalists and will simply turn the other cheek on those violations so long as they get their climate change deals. Either that or the notion that they'll be pushed toward China and India is overblown.
    - 0xFFFE 9y ago
      Thanks for the polite response and my apologies for being a bit of a dick in choosing those words. And yes, I agree with the points you made.
- PythonicAlpha 9y ago
  Just read the news (and not only HN, since here, the world view is harshly filtered to fit into some world-view -- also don't just rely on one parties supporting news channel). You always can try to explain things away, but reality is harder.

exclusiv 9y ago

Can you explain how Europeans are drawn to China and India given their records on human rights? Are they not informed about the Chinese government? I fail to see how that's more alluring than dealing with America and Trump even with all his faults and arrogance. I think this move was bad and miscalculated at several levels, but I don't think it's going to have the impact you suggest.

0xFFFE 9y ago
"China and India given their records on human rights?" Are you suggesting there is no country in the world where human rights are not violated? I am not defending the violation, but that sentence sounds naively aloof and disconnected from reality.
- exclusiv 9y ago
  No I'm not suggesting that at all. I just don't see how Europeans would gravitate towards alignment with those countries after this news given their human rights histories and current governments. The only thing I can think is that Europeans are more environmentalists and will simply turn the other cheek on those violations so long as they get their climate change deals. Either that or the notion that they'll be pushed toward China and India is overblown.
  - 0xFFFE 9y ago
    Thanks for the polite response and my apologies for being a bit of a dick in choosing those words. And yes, I agree with the points you made.
PythonicAlpha 9y ago
Just read the news (and not only HN, since here, the world view is harshly filtered to fit into some world-view -- also don't just rely on one parties supporting news channel). You always can try to explain things away, but reality is harder.