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For now. In 5-10 years the debate will be "why do we have gas cars at all now that electric cars are all faster, drive farther, don't pollute, and are solar po

For now. In 5-10 years the debate will be "why do we have gas cars at all now that electric cars are all faster, drive farther, don't pollute, and are solar powered." In my opinion, not having to deal with oil spills and carbon emissions will certainly win out in the long run.

WillPostForFood 9y ago
Even if electric car range passes gas powered in 10 years, it is really the refuel vs recharge time that needs work. Range is already good enough for a majority of use cases.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Most EV owners recharge overnight for day-to-day driving, so refueling time is zero. Were you referring to long-distance travel?
sideshowb 9y ago
Private cars only account for a small slice of oil demand, so I'm afraid oil spills will still be a thing. The co2 savings are worthwhile though.
- linkregister 9y ago
  Gasoline (petrol) is the primary portion of oil use (about 40%) in the U.S. [1] I don't know what portion of that is passenger cars, but it's probably substantial. 1. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_use https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_use
elihu 9y ago
Kind of a tangent regarding solar-powered cars: Putting solar panels on a car is a good idea that sounds like a dumb idea that sounds like a good idea. Solar panels don't actually generate anywhere near enough power to supply a car continuously. (1 horse power is about 700 watts. If it takes 10 HP to maintain highway speeds, that's about 7000 watts, more than most rooftop solar installations.) So, driving forever on a sunny day without stopping isn't something that's attainable except on specially-built cars with tiny motors and giant bodies and don't move at highway speed. However, if I think about how I use my own car on a typical day, I drive a couple miles to work, park in the sun for about 8 hours, and then drive a couple miles home. Maybe stop on the way for groceries. If I had an electric car with a solar panel generating a hundred watts or so while it sits in the parking lot, that might be enough to keep the battery topped off. I'd still have to plug in once in awhile if I drive around more than average or if I'm going on a long trip, but if it noticeably reduces the number of times I plug in per year, that's probably worth the added weight and cost. (I realize that by "solar powered" you probably meant rooftop solar and charging at home or perhaps utility-scale solar.) (I also realize that I could just ride a bike, but I'm lazy and technological cost-benefit analyses are more fun.)
- epistasis 9y ago
  I'd be surprised if you could get a full kWh per day out of solar panels on a car itself; they're at a non-ideal angle, can be parked in half sun half shade, etc. Most cars get really close to 3.3 mi/kWh. So unless your commute is really short, it's not going to make a huge impact on the number of times you need to plug in.
  - elihu 9y ago
    My commute is really short. I don't drive long distances very often, so I think it would make a difference. Another way to look at it is if I could get one extra kWh per day from solar and can go 3.3 miles per kWh, that's about 100 extra miles of range per month. I typically drive maybe 200 or 300 miles per month, so that's a pretty big reduction in total plug-in power that I would need. (In our Oregon winters it might not help so much, or if I can't reliably find sunny parking spots.)
  - zumu 9y ago
    > I'd be surprised if you could get a full kWh per day out of solar panels on a car itself Is this assuming the car is parked outside the entire day or just the 8 hour work day?
- jdcarr 9y ago
  I've always enjoyed the alternate idea of parking areas having shelters covered in solar panels. Has the nice advantages of keeping your car cool in the summer and removing another piece of complexity in your car. You could also set up the charge stations such that they either draw from the solar panels or from an alternate power source in the winter when there isn't enough sun to keep a really simple solution.
- mandude 9y ago
  Exactly! I said the exact same thing not long ago and it's a spot on assessment!
eltoozero 9y ago
You gonna get rid of jets and trains, or make them electric too? The petrol industry has many friends, they serve many markets. Look at what comes out of a barrel of crude[0], an incredible number of products which aren't going away, even if every car/truck/bus/vehicle on the road was electric. [0]: http://elsegundo.chevron.com/abouttherefinery/whatwedo/whatisinabarrelofoil.aspx http://elsegundo.chevron.com/abouttherefinery/whatwedo/whati...
- tonyedgecombe 9y ago
  Plenty of trains run on electricity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system
- mandude 9y ago
  Baby steps. Also -- hopefully jets become electric at some point. No reason for them not to.

WillPostForFood 9y ago

Even if electric car range passes gas powered in 10 years, it is really the refuel vs recharge time that needs work. Range is already good enough for a majority of use cases.

greglindahl 9y ago
Most EV owners recharge overnight for day-to-day driving, so refueling time is zero. Were you referring to long-distance travel?

sideshowb 9y ago

Private cars only account for a small slice of oil demand, so I'm afraid oil spills will still be a thing. The co2 savings are worthwhile though.

linkregister 9y ago
Gasoline (petrol) is the primary portion of oil use (about 40%) in the U.S. [1] I don't know what portion of that is passenger cars, but it's probably substantial. 1. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_use https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=oil_use

elihu 9y ago

Kind of a tangent regarding solar-powered cars: Putting solar panels on a car is a good idea that sounds like a dumb idea that sounds like a good idea. Solar panels don't actually generate anywhere near enough power to supply a car continuously. (1 horse power is about 700 watts. If it takes 10 HP to maintain highway speeds, that's about 7000 watts, more than most rooftop solar installations.) So, driving forever on a sunny day without stopping isn't something that's attainable except on specially-built cars with tiny motors and giant bodies and don't move at highway speed. However, if I think about how I use my own car on a typical day, I drive a couple miles to work, park in the sun for about 8 hours, and then drive a couple miles home. Maybe stop on the way for groceries. If I had an electric car with a solar panel generating a hundred watts or so while it sits in the parking lot, that might be enough to keep the battery topped off. I'd still have to plug in once in awhile if I drive around more than average or if I'm going on a long trip, but if it noticeably reduces the number of times I plug in per year, that's probably worth the added weight and cost. (I realize that by "solar powered" you probably meant rooftop solar and charging at home or perhaps utility-scale solar.) (I also realize that I could just ride a bike, but I'm lazy and technological cost-benefit analyses are more fun.)

epistasis 9y ago
I'd be surprised if you could get a full kWh per day out of solar panels on a car itself; they're at a non-ideal angle, can be parked in half sun half shade, etc. Most cars get really close to 3.3 mi/kWh. So unless your commute is really short, it's not going to make a huge impact on the number of times you need to plug in.
- elihu 9y ago
  My commute is really short. I don't drive long distances very often, so I think it would make a difference. Another way to look at it is if I could get one extra kWh per day from solar and can go 3.3 miles per kWh, that's about 100 extra miles of range per month. I typically drive maybe 200 or 300 miles per month, so that's a pretty big reduction in total plug-in power that I would need. (In our Oregon winters it might not help so much, or if I can't reliably find sunny parking spots.)
- zumu 9y ago
  > I'd be surprised if you could get a full kWh per day out of solar panels on a car itself Is this assuming the car is parked outside the entire day or just the 8 hour work day?
jdcarr 9y ago
I've always enjoyed the alternate idea of parking areas having shelters covered in solar panels. Has the nice advantages of keeping your car cool in the summer and removing another piece of complexity in your car. You could also set up the charge stations such that they either draw from the solar panels or from an alternate power source in the winter when there isn't enough sun to keep a really simple solution.
mandude 9y ago
Exactly! I said the exact same thing not long ago and it's a spot on assessment!

eltoozero 9y ago

You gonna get rid of jets and trains, or make them electric too? The petrol industry has many friends, they serve many markets. Look at what comes out of a barrel of crude[0], an incredible number of products which aren't going away, even if every car/truck/bus/vehicle on the road was electric. [0]: http://elsegundo.chevron.com/abouttherefinery/whatwedo/whatisinabarrelofoil.aspx http://elsegundo.chevron.com/abouttherefinery/whatwedo/whati...

tonyedgecombe 9y ago
Plenty of trains run on electricity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_system
mandude 9y ago
Baby steps. Also -- hopefully jets become electric at some point. No reason for them not to.