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Hey, David from Vanhawks here. One of the nice things about the Valour is that we will continue to develop the platform while you ride the bike - it will get be

Hey, David from Vanhawks here. One of the nice things about the Valour is that we will continue to develop the platform while you ride the bike - it will get better the longer you own it as we release new features. And, if you worried about whether we'll be around long enough to make that happen, I feel confident in saying yes. Check out our latest news on our new structure here: http://blog.vanhawks.com/2017/04/26/in-case-you-missed-it/ http://blog.vanhawks.com/2017/04/26/in-case-you-missed-it/

pg_is_a_butt 9y ago
translation: "i am completely ignoring your criticism. fuck you. as for the bikes... they suck... but they will better some day long in the future according to what we say. we think you are worried about our company. it makes sense. the answer to "will we still be around" certainly isn't that we'll still be around, but i am paid to say that in some circumstances i would say that i would say that it would be around." Check out the only thing i did last week while we burn through the end of the cash: http://fart.fart.pffffffffffft http://fart.fart.pffffffffffft
aqme28 9y ago
Isn't that also true for a "biking app"? It'll be improved over time as development is put into it.
Twirrim 9y ago
Apps on cell phones can also be updated over time. I've got a GPS already in the cell phone that will measure speed etc, and as I replace the cell phone that hardware will get better over time and support more features from an app. Bikes, on the other hand, don't tend to be treated as a disposable / frequently upgraded thing. You're asking customers to buy in to a fixed set of hardware for a dozen years. That means you've got to provide some really significant value to the equation, and offer something that is just not even remotely possible with an ordinary cell phone. So far as I can figure the only thing you offer in that regards is blind-spot detection sensors, and that seems like something I could realistically expect to see from bicycle electronics companies within a reasonably short time frame, for way less than $500. I'm still not sure what exactly your significant value-add is. I'm not trying to shit on you or your product. The bike looks great. I just think you need to think very carefully about how you are marketing it, and what exactly you're offering to persuade someone to pony up an additional $500 or so over a normal bike.

pg_is_a_butt 9y ago

translation: "i am completely ignoring your criticism. fuck you. as for the bikes... they suck... but they will better some day long in the future according to what we say. we think you are worried about our company. it makes sense. the answer to "will we still be around" certainly isn't that we'll still be around, but i am paid to say that in some circumstances i would say that i would say that it would be around." Check out the only thing i did last week while we burn through the end of the cash: http://fart.fart.pffffffffffft http://fart.fart.pffffffffffft

aqme28 9y ago

Isn't that also true for a "biking app"? It'll be improved over time as development is put into it.

Twirrim 9y ago

Apps on cell phones can also be updated over time. I've got a GPS already in the cell phone that will measure speed etc, and as I replace the cell phone that hardware will get better over time and support more features from an app. Bikes, on the other hand, don't tend to be treated as a disposable / frequently upgraded thing. You're asking customers to buy in to a fixed set of hardware for a dozen years. That means you've got to provide some really significant value to the equation, and offer something that is just not even remotely possible with an ordinary cell phone. So far as I can figure the only thing you offer in that regards is blind-spot detection sensors, and that seems like something I could realistically expect to see from bicycle electronics companies within a reasonably short time frame, for way less than $500. I'm still not sure what exactly your significant value-add is. I'm not trying to shit on you or your product. The bike looks great. I just think you need to think very carefully about how you are marketing it, and what exactly you're offering to persuade someone to pony up an additional $500 or so over a normal bike.