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That's shitty and I still can't believe people are making excuses for this type of behavior. It's pathetic.

drivebyacct 16y ago
Most pathetic downmodding I've seen on HN. This isn't even passive aggressive, this is just being a shitty human being. Fuck you all. It's really cool that HN is going the reddit route of downmodding comments that they disagree with. Although I don't even think my comments would have been downmodded over there. Because we're all hip and "hackers" at HN we just tolerate and expect people to be shitty to each other in the business world. Real cool guys.
- jrockway 16y ago
  . <-- The world's smallest violin.
- jfarmer 16y ago
  People are downvoting you because your response was so acerbic. This reply isn't helping.
  - drivebyacct 16y ago
    No it's not. Point out what was so "acerbic" in my original reply. I've read it twice now and there's nothing out of line in it. The only emotion I injected was "I am startled". Yeah, really `acid in temper or mood`. Especially when * ironically* I was addressing the acerbic comments being pointed at the author for ACTUALLY BELIEVING people when they told him they were interested. Is it opposite day on HN or did I miss a memo?
    - jfarmer 16y ago
      I didn't say it was out of line, just acerbic. "shitty" "can't believe" "pathetic" Strong words. HN will generally downvote strong displays of negative emotions, especially if it's something purely subjective. It was also slightly accusatory, saying other HN users were "making excuses" for this behavior. There's some ambiguity as to whether you meant the behavior itself was pathetic or the people "making excuses" were pathetic. I think you meant the latter. Maybe this is an easier way to understand it: imagine you're in a room filled with people talking about this issue, and you stood up and said what you said out loud. How do you expect people to react? Positively? I can't believe I'm explaining this in such detail. Haha.
      - drivebyacct 16y ago
        I would call people out for excusing leading people on and lying to their faces. In public. In a room full of people that disagree with me. If I am in the wrong and downvotes (or in our analogy looks of disapproval or murmurs of hatred in my direction) are my punishment I will take them proudly. I think excusing the behavior is nearly as shameful as being the person doing the lying and deceiving. I can't believe I'm explaining this in such deal. I meant the usage quite literally. I'm shocked that an intelligent community such as HN is excusing the behavior because it's supposedly "normal". I think the treatment and thus the excuses are "shitty" which doesn't have a formal definition for me to rattle off, but suffice it to say I think it covers "unacceptable behavior" which is a category that lying and leading people on generally falls into.
        jfarmer 16y ago
        You go, girl.
carbocation 16y ago
I see you replied again so I think I should respond, though initially I wasn't going to. (And note that I can't downvote your comment, since it's a reply to mine, so I'm not the one draining your karma.) With that preamble finished: Perhaps your comment is getting downvoted because your premise seems incorrect? When I first saw your reply, I thought, "Hey! That's not fair! Just because I explained what people do doesn't mean that I excused what they do." I was being descriptive, not prescriptive. In other words, I thought your reply was pretty unfair, but I was not going to reply because I felt like it was just splitting hairs. Now that you're getting downvoted and have replied a second time, I just thought I'd point out that others may have felt the same way about your comment as I did. Indeed, the very same people who are downvoting your comment very well may not agree with the behavior that my comment described as being typical.
- drivebyacct 16y ago
  Which is why I said excuses being made up and down the thread. I didn't mean to imply that you were excusing it, but many people were saying that Apple was being more reasonable that the developer which is why I spoke out in defense of the developer. I don't buy your explanation. I'd like to, but all over this thread there are highly upvoted comments that explain that this guy was out of lining by expecting anything at all, even though Apple continually led him on. They could have sent two teeny-tiny bytes 'N' 'o' and been done. But instead they were dicks. I don't really see why my reply was unfair. If you weren't making excuses for apple, fine, but there were dozens of posters on this topic that are/were.
  - hugh3 16y ago
    What we have is a situation where both parties behaved imperfectly. Since it was the outside guy who made the whiny woe-is-me-I'm-a-victim blog post about it, it's everybody's instinct to point out what he did to deserve it. On the other hand if the Apple engineer were the one writing the blog post everybody would jump on what he did that was wrong.
    - drivebyacct 16y ago

Most pathetic downmodding I've seen on HN. This isn't even passive aggressive, this is just being a shitty human being. Fuck you all. It's really cool that HN is going the reddit route of downmodding comments that they disagree with. Although I don't even think my comments would have been downmodded over there. Because we're all hip and "hackers" at HN we just tolerate and expect people to be shitty to each other in the business world. Real cool guys.

jrockway 16y ago
. <-- The world's smallest violin.
jfarmer 16y ago
People are downvoting you because your response was so acerbic. This reply isn't helping.
- drivebyacct 16y ago
  No it's not. Point out what was so "acerbic" in my original reply. I've read it twice now and there's nothing out of line in it. The only emotion I injected was "I am startled". Yeah, really `acid in temper or mood`. Especially when * ironically* I was addressing the acerbic comments being pointed at the author for ACTUALLY BELIEVING people when they told him they were interested. Is it opposite day on HN or did I miss a memo?
  - jfarmer 16y ago
    I didn't say it was out of line, just acerbic. "shitty" "can't believe" "pathetic" Strong words. HN will generally downvote strong displays of negative emotions, especially if it's something purely subjective. It was also slightly accusatory, saying other HN users were "making excuses" for this behavior. There's some ambiguity as to whether you meant the behavior itself was pathetic or the people "making excuses" were pathetic. I think you meant the latter. Maybe this is an easier way to understand it: imagine you're in a room filled with people talking about this issue, and you stood up and said what you said out loud. How do you expect people to react? Positively? I can't believe I'm explaining this in such detail. Haha.
    - drivebyacct 16y ago
      I would call people out for excusing leading people on and lying to their faces. In public. In a room full of people that disagree with me. If I am in the wrong and downvotes (or in our analogy looks of disapproval or murmurs of hatred in my direction) are my punishment I will take them proudly. I think excusing the behavior is nearly as shameful as being the person doing the lying and deceiving. I can't believe I'm explaining this in such deal. I meant the usage quite literally. I'm shocked that an intelligent community such as HN is excusing the behavior because it's supposedly "normal". I think the treatment and thus the excuses are "shitty" which doesn't have a formal definition for me to rattle off, but suffice it to say I think it covers "unacceptable behavior" which is a category that lying and leading people on generally falls into.
      - jfarmer 16y ago
        You go, girl.

carbocation 16y ago

I see you replied again so I think I should respond, though initially I wasn't going to. (And note that I can't downvote your comment, since it's a reply to mine, so I'm not the one draining your karma.) With that preamble finished: Perhaps your comment is getting downvoted because your premise seems incorrect? When I first saw your reply, I thought, "Hey! That's not fair! Just because I explained what people do doesn't mean that I excused what they do." I was being descriptive, not prescriptive. In other words, I thought your reply was pretty unfair, but I was not going to reply because I felt like it was just splitting hairs. Now that you're getting downvoted and have replied a second time, I just thought I'd point out that others may have felt the same way about your comment as I did. Indeed, the very same people who are downvoting your comment very well may not agree with the behavior that my comment described as being typical.

drivebyacct 16y ago
Which is why I said excuses being made up and down the thread. I didn't mean to imply that you were excusing it, but many people were saying that Apple was being more reasonable that the developer which is why I spoke out in defense of the developer. I don't buy your explanation. I'd like to, but all over this thread there are highly upvoted comments that explain that this guy was out of lining by expecting anything at all, even though Apple continually led him on. They could have sent two teeny-tiny bytes 'N' 'o' and been done. But instead they were dicks. I don't really see why my reply was unfair. If you weren't making excuses for apple, fine, but there were dozens of posters on this topic that are/were.
- hugh3 16y ago
  What we have is a situation where both parties behaved imperfectly. Since it was the outside guy who made the whiny woe-is-me-I'm-a-victim blog post about it, it's everybody's instinct to point out what he did to deserve it. On the other hand if the Apple engineer were the one writing the blog post everybody would jump on what he did that was wrong.
  - drivebyacct 16y ago