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Yes, you can eat cheap ramen. But do you want to eat cheap ramen every day? Most supermarkets in Tokyo are expensive. Want some Zucchini? Pay 200 yen for a tiny

Yes, you can eat cheap ramen. But do you want to eat cheap ramen every day? Most supermarkets in Tokyo are expensive. Want some Zucchini? Pay 200 yen for a tiny one. Want an apple? Pay up to 350 yen for one. Want a beer? Pay 300 yen for 0.3l. Restaurants? Want pizza? Pay 20$. Maybe that's normal in the US, I don't know but in my experience, a pizza is 6$ tops. Of course, there are things that are cheaper. If you live as Japanese as you can, you can save some money. But rent prices are very high for a normal Japanese worker. As some people here already said salaries are very low. Average income per age range[1]: 20s：348万円 (~34k) 30s：458万円 (~45k) 40s：586万円 (~58k) 50s：721万円 (~71k) My ~55m2 room costs about ~1800$ without electricity etc. Since the owner recently changed for new people the price went up to ~2000$ Given it's a modern 'mansion' (apartment) with nice extras, in a very good location it's still cheap (wondering why every day.) I heard SF is crazy expensive, but that's a different problem. Most people here, even in IT jobs get about 2000 dollar per month. So where can they live? They can live in some 30 years old very tiny apartment or live outside of Tokyo and drive in 1 hour or more every day. Even if you live 30 minutes away by train, most trains coming from affordable areas are packed and you have to queue up to get into one, which can extend the commute time to an hour or more[2]. If you want to go to work by car be ready to pay around 300$ per month for a parking space. Then, say you start a family. 55m2 won't cut it anymore. 80-100m2? Very few places. Very expensive. Most rooms here are between 20-35m2 made for singles. Anyway, this maybe sounded negative but I love this city. All things considered, it's awesome and comfortable to live here. [1] https://doda.jp/guide/heikin/2014/syokusyu/it/ https://doda.jp/guide/heikin/2014/syokusyu/it/ [2] Source: co-worker

aikinai 9y ago
None of the facts you listed are untrue, but did you notice how skewed your post is towards western-style living? None of the food you mentioned are everyday items for Japan (except beer, which is still cheap in Tokyo compared to western cities). And you definitely do not need 80–100m² to raise a family; most natives in central Tokyo raise their families in 55m² or less. You're right, it's crazy how low professional salaries are, but the city is so affordable with such a wide range of housing options that you can be a nail stylist and still live in the most central neighborhoods (granted, that stylist would probably have to move farther out to raise a family).
- codesuki 9y ago
  Yes, I noticed that that's why I said if you live the Japanese way you can save some money. So I am aware. Maybe I should rephrase that? The beer is almost 8-10x more expensive compared to where I come from though. You are right that most people here live and raise kids in smaller apartments. But just because this is the status quo and you don't 'need' more I wouldn't say it's good. Why should your kid have to live in a 5sqm room? I wouldn't be able to justify that for myself and would have to move outside. I think it's the mentality here, singles, for example, spend most time at work or similar so they don't mind having a tiny, affordable home. Also most Japanese (there are exceptions) normally don't invite many people to their home etc.

aikinai 9y ago

None of the facts you listed are untrue, but did you notice how skewed your post is towards western-style living? None of the food you mentioned are everyday items for Japan (except beer, which is still cheap in Tokyo compared to western cities). And you definitely do not need 80–100m² to raise a family; most natives in central Tokyo raise their families in 55m² or less. You're right, it's crazy how low professional salaries are, but the city is so affordable with such a wide range of housing options that you can be a nail stylist and still live in the most central neighborhoods (granted, that stylist would probably have to move farther out to raise a family).

codesuki 9y ago
Yes, I noticed that that's why I said if you live the Japanese way you can save some money. So I am aware. Maybe I should rephrase that? The beer is almost 8-10x more expensive compared to where I come from though. You are right that most people here live and raise kids in smaller apartments. But just because this is the status quo and you don't 'need' more I wouldn't say it's good. Why should your kid have to live in a 5sqm room? I wouldn't be able to justify that for myself and would have to move outside. I think it's the mentality here, singles, for example, spend most time at work or similar so they don't mind having a tiny, affordable home. Also most Japanese (there are exceptions) normally don't invite many people to their home etc.