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American salaries along with low taxes are way more attractive even compared to Nordic countries which apart from high taxes also have some of the highest livin

American salaries along with low taxes are way more attractive even compared to Nordic countries which apart from high taxes also have some of the highest living costs in the world. The whole debate on suppressing incomes is quite debatable. Though one can see the argument for people who have spent decades working exclusively on legacy systems. When these become cost centres, companies try and outsource them. The brief period that I spent working for an Indian outsourcer, I noticed almost every project was about maintenance of legacy systems.

posguy 9y ago
Bringing in low cost foreign workers to maintain a system directly drags down the average wage, hurting Americans in the IT industry and lowering their income & benefits. Foreign workers are a tool that companies like to use to scare IT workers away from organizing & unionizing, keeping the Americans they do employ under foot and poorly paid. As an example, Kroger has a support center for its Fred Meyer brand of stores in Portland, OR. As of last year, they were paying $12hr while expecting in depth networking knowledge, familiarity with SUSE & SunOS, and the ability to write moderately complex scripts for these legacy systems. Comparatively, another employee who was transfered from Portland to Cleveland went from making a little over $14hr to $120k a year, as the market in Cleveland is apparently so barren of talent that poaching is a serious issue.
- bendermon 9y ago
  What you say is true, but as I mentioned that works only with legacy systems, which are often just cost centres. There are in general very few people who can work with or want to work with legacy systems and therefore does demand a very good pay but it does not add any value to the American economy.
  - posguy 9y ago
    These aren't legacy systems, just a few years back Kroger started moving off IBM 4690, which was a legacy OS. That is gone from most areas of the business at this point, hence the expectation to be familiar with SUSE.
- rebossz 9y ago
  > hurting Americans in the IT industry ... Well, the ones who are hurting, would always be hurting. They really do not need the Indians to assist them to hurt. They will perfectly-well hurt all alone by themselves. But then again, our beloved Donald Trump has promised them to do something about their hurting. He will force employers all over to hire them, regardless of whether these employers like that prospect or not. Donald Trump will institute forced recruitment of Americans who would otherwise hurt, if nobody were forced at gun point to recruit them ...
  - ItendToDisagree 9y ago
    Or he'll ignore all (ok 98%) of his campaign promises while ruthlessly lining his and his offspring's pockets... You know... Either or... (Hint: He'll be lining his pockets.)

posguy 9y ago

Bringing in low cost foreign workers to maintain a system directly drags down the average wage, hurting Americans in the IT industry and lowering their income & benefits. Foreign workers are a tool that companies like to use to scare IT workers away from organizing & unionizing, keeping the Americans they do employ under foot and poorly paid. As an example, Kroger has a support center for its Fred Meyer brand of stores in Portland, OR. As of last year, they were paying $12hr while expecting in depth networking knowledge, familiarity with SUSE & SunOS, and the ability to write moderately complex scripts for these legacy systems. Comparatively, another employee who was transfered from Portland to Cleveland went from making a little over $14hr to $120k a year, as the market in Cleveland is apparently so barren of talent that poaching is a serious issue.

bendermon 9y ago
What you say is true, but as I mentioned that works only with legacy systems, which are often just cost centres. There are in general very few people who can work with or want to work with legacy systems and therefore does demand a very good pay but it does not add any value to the American economy.
- posguy 9y ago
  These aren't legacy systems, just a few years back Kroger started moving off IBM 4690, which was a legacy OS. That is gone from most areas of the business at this point, hence the expectation to be familiar with SUSE.
rebossz 9y ago
> hurting Americans in the IT industry ... Well, the ones who are hurting, would always be hurting. They really do not need the Indians to assist them to hurt. They will perfectly-well hurt all alone by themselves. But then again, our beloved Donald Trump has promised them to do something about their hurting. He will force employers all over to hire them, regardless of whether these employers like that prospect or not. Donald Trump will institute forced recruitment of Americans who would otherwise hurt, if nobody were forced at gun point to recruit them ...
- ItendToDisagree 9y ago
  Or he'll ignore all (ok 98%) of his campaign promises while ruthlessly lining his and his offspring's pockets... You know... Either or... (Hint: He'll be lining his pockets.)